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Using the wayback machine, I was able to find the complete results from some late 90s and early 2000s state marching contests. 1996 1998 1999 2000 Edit: can an admin move this to the past contests forum please? this would probably be more relevant there

Does the Leaguer have the full results from the pilot years? I would absolutely love to see that.

I'm not sure exactly what all exactly the letters mean, but I know an "A" means sweepstakes, receiving a 1 earlier that year in marching band a 1 in both a concert and sightreading, if you receive a 1 in marching or a 1 in both concert/sr but not both, I believe it's a B. As a middle school the highest letter you can get is a C, since they don't do marching.

With the addition of Lumberton (5A state band) to 4A area C, I edited my predictions and almost certainly will say the bands advancing to state in Area C will be N Lamar, Spring Hill, Lumberton, and LCM. I'd say all will make state finals too, except maybe LCM, unless something significantly changes.

Prelims results said what state they were from, didn't see a single "TX" on there, so I guess no bands made the trip that year.

I had a similar idea of making a google drive for storing results and files related to them, and I'm thinking about working on it again and even making a website for it. It only has a couple of invintational results, plus added the 2016 Area PDFs and have a doc for typing up all the past state results. I'll add anything someone contributes to this thread to here. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pck-u9QZOxWY2OH3D20x2cJzZX8T3IaQ

How does qualifying to attend Nats work? Is it a first come first serve sign up for anyone who's placed high enough at a regional the previous year?

Thank you! I just realized I read "Flower Mound Marcus Lewisville" thinking it was Flower Mound, and not Marcus from Flower Mound. As for Westfield, are Spring Westfield and Houston Westfield the same school? They're listed as two such schools in the archive.

Just a little number counting from these two links https://web.archive.org/web/20160305140500/http://uil100.org/archives/music/marching-band.php https://www.uiltexas.org/music/marching-band/state 1st: Sundown- 7 (1987, 1988, 1989, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011) 2nd: Argyle- 6 (2003, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014) Tie for 3rd: Denver City- 5 (1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989) Tie for 3rd: Dickison- 5 (1986, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993) Tie for 3rd Marcus-5 (2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014) Tie for 3rd Westfield (1987, 1988, 1989, 1996 1998) Honorable Mentions- Dripping Springs- 4 (1983, 1984, 1985, 2009) Cedar Park- 4 (2001, 2011, 2015, 2017) Queen City- 3 (2007, 2009, 2011) Robinson- 3 (1984, 1994, 1996) Canton- 3 (2002, 2004, 2006) Duncanville- 3 (1986, 1990, 2002) Georgetown- 3 (1983, 1984) Holliday- 3 (1993, 1999, 2001) Iraan- 4 (1986, 1987, 1990, 1991) Longest Streak to exist I believe would be Marcus, as they obtained all 5 of their state championships in a row. The longest standing streak would go to Cedar Park, with 2 state championships in a row. I would also like to list bands with the most apperances at state, but as there are no reliable full results from before 2009, it would be hard to make.

What do you guys think of the track systems that ATSSB and TMEA both currently use for the All-Region band? Particularly with how people use it to their advantage. In some regions, there may be little or no 6A schools, so 5A and under students may do TMEA on the 6A track for a free area spot, saw a saxophone get 2 chairs from last and still made area because of this. Do you think there should be restrictions on opting up a track, maybe make it so you have to make the All-State band on your current track to opt up? In ATSSB I see people play this game in Region 4 often times because there's much less 4A competition in that region (especially since North Lamar does TMEA), so people may opt up since 4A is easier, this is rather contradictory to why opting up is a thing, it's meant to provide more of a challenge. Now personally, I'm not arguing for how it should be done, and I think splitting it is a good thing especially in TMEA, but I'm curious to see what you guys think. The question I'm asking, is should the track system be tweaked or changed in some way?

The area far Northeast would include the 3 state champions from region 4 for sure, Clarksville, Mineloa, and North Lamar.

^Bumping this thread for that question

Do you think they'll realign any Regions/Areas because of these drastic changes or not because the last realignment was so recent?

North Lamar is a 100% lock, I don't see how that band could not make it even with a horrible run at this point. Spring Hill on the other hand, they're a lock too but I can promise you all the other bands that made it below them or close will fighting hard for their spot. LCM is solid for a lock spot but I can see them being edged out by Bridge City or someone else. There could also be a wildcard, but Area C seems consistent for the most part. The top 7 bands at area finals in 2014 and 2016 were the exact same, just a slightly different order.

Actually they went to 5A, well over the limit too at 1400ish people. Participation is also no longer an issue because UIL changed it to be based off how many bands QUALIFY for area, not participate. 3A Area C actually had exactly 20 bands qualify, but only 18 participated at area, but they had 4 state spots anyway. But you're right, 4A area is at risk for 3 spots, which would be the lowest in years.

I'll add Burnet in, it's always wise to consider the state alternates. In the case of Area C, I actually counted how many bands in that area got 1s this year, it was 22, and with Atlanta and Cleveland (both 1st division bands) no longer being in conference 4A for 2018 as of now, that's 2 less. I would assume more than 20 bands will pulls 1s in 2018 for sure though.

I wanted to make a thread showing potential contenders for the 4A state contest, and I will try to make a 6A version as well. Most of my knowledge of 4A is within Areas B and C, as they are 4As toughest areas, so there are A LOT more notes about those bands written there, so if people could help me with A, D, and E, that would be awesome! 4A Area A: Pecos (Last years Area Champion and state advancer) Greenwood (State advancer, 2nd in area) Wylie Abilene (Moving to 5A as of now, but past state advancer) Big Spring (Missed state last time by a tie breaker) Predicted state spots: 3 In all honesty, this is by far the easiest 4A area, and sometimes it's anyone's game for who does well here. 4A Area B, the big boy: Princeton (Moving to 5A and is well above the cutoff, but I'll leave them here regardless, Bronze medalist) Argyle (Ol Argyle, silver medalist and usual state champion of whatever division they're currently in) Canton (State advancer, basically always makes it and a super fine band program) Wills Point (4th in state in 2016) Melissa (Missed state by 1 point, and EXTREMELY deserving band also, definitely would've done well had they made state, and with Princeton out of the picture, they have a good shot) Anna (Also a really fine band, but in by far the toughest area, regardless it's worth not counting them out) Farmersville (3A silver medalist and moving to 4A, they probably won't make state due to being in Area B, but nothing is impossible) Area finalists will likely be Argyle, Canton, Wills Point, Melissa, Anna, Aubrey, Farmersville, with 3 spots open to fight for. Kaufman is going to 5A so they won't be there for one. Graham and Krum will be good contenders to edge in again. Predicted state spots: 4-5, division changes might help factor in how many get 1s. Aubrey is also a fairly good band, but this area is extremely tough. 4A Area C: North Lamar (defending state champion and was even more amazing in 2017, they're a state contender for sure) Spring Hill (5th in state and an amazing military band, another for sure) Little Cypress Mauriceville (missed state finals by 1 place, and also a really fine band) Paris (made state last time) Atlanta (Moving to 3A, and is well below the cutoff. They have made state every year since 2006 though, but most likely won't be in 4A though) Lumberton (5A state band going to 4A, will most likely but fighting for a state finals spot) Bridge City (Missed state by 1 spot last year, and I saw them that year and honestly thought they would've gotten it in 2016) Pleasant Grove (Usually a really good band, and has improved a lot since a couple of rough years) Finalists will be North Lamar, Spring Hill, LCM, Paris, Bridge City, Carthage, and Pleasant Grove for sure, the last 3 spots could be anyone's game, Pittsburg could take one, they did beat Carthage at NAMMB by placing 3rd, which is rather impressive, there's also Bullard again. Predicted state spots: 4-5, with a lot of this areas bands moving divisions and a lot more have fell off from 1s, it's mostly likely going to be 4, and hopefully no less than 4. Carthage and Bullard are also really good military bands that made area finals here, but I think it would be hard for a military band to squeeze into a bottom state spot in area finals. 4A Area D: Springtown Kennendale Freedricksburg China Spring (6th in state) Casteberry Burnet (State alternate) Predicted state spots: 5 4A Area E: Port Isabel La Feria Rio Grande City Grulla Hidalgo (state finalist and really awesome band) Rio Hondo Crystal City Predicted state spots: 5-6 So far my predictions are Area A: Canyon, Pecos, Greenwood Area B: Argyle, Wills Point, Canton, Melissa, 5th spot would be between Farmersville and Anna. Area C: North Lamar, Spring Hill, Lumberton, and LCM. a 5th spot would likely be Bridge City Area D: Springtown, Kennendale, Fredricksburg, China Spring, not sure about the 5th

Sadly, being in Region 25 they would advance to 5A Area B as of the current music region alignments, the same area with the Frisco schools that even Centennial didn't make state in, Princeton could do well in 5A but their area is very tough.

With UIL recently announcing the planned conference cutoffs for 2018-2020, as well as a preliminary rank order, what are your thoughts on how this is going to affect bands over the next few years? Although I'm not sure if this rank order is official, it shows some of the potential changes. Some examples if this list is to be trusted are 4A powerhouse Princeton moving up to 5A, 3A Silver Medalist Farmersville moving up to 4A, Consistent 4A state band Atlanta moving down to 3A, and the mighty Waxahachie moving up to 6A. What do you guys think about what this might cause in the future state contests, and furthermore, what is your opinion of what UIL is doing by pushing enrollment cutoffs up? Edit: Also I just realized that this should probably go in another topic, but in a way this does sort of pertain to upcoming contests.

Anyone have any last minute thoughts for tomorrow with 2A finals and 3A?

Are the bands below the top 3 also in order of rank?

You're not the only one surprised about Timpson, VERY fine military band and has been doing amazing this year. Everyone here from their area is amazed that they didn't.

Sundown didn't make finals? I haven't seen them this year but considering how long they dominated 2A, that amazes me.

Title says it all, what do you guys think are some of the most epic moments from various marching shows? I would love to make a poll out of it with enough suggestions too!

I hate to post this again, but it doesn't seem to be getting any notice in the past results thread. Does anyone know where it might be possible to find results in marching prior to 2002? World of Pageantry and UILs texasmusicforms go back to 2003, and some regions have 2002 results archived, but I've find it impossible to find anything prior other than this website's few results from 1999 onward. UIL used to have archives that listed what bands earned sweepstakes that year and it dated back to about 1987, but it doesn't seem to be accessible anymore. Does anyone know a way to find these results? Edit: http://www2.uiltexas...music/archives/ this is where the results used to be for old sweepstakes and state finals, I'm not sure why it won't work anymore but UIL still links to it on their website. Although, the wayback machine website allows me to view it.