Yeah I don’t see timber winning this one or really even coming very close, yes I’m sure they’re still doing fine with new staff but when it comes down to it, the level of musicianship present at vista ridge is really just much farther ahead. That’s not discounting timber, I’ve loved all of their past shows, and they are very good, but vista ridge is just experiencing so much growth and I’d be extremely surprised if with new staff timber could pull ahead here.