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..u cant double toung on ww ...its impossibly hard

 

...yeah you can double tongue on woodwinds, flutes probably use it the most. It's not the instrument, it's being able to make the clicking noise in the back of your throat while messing with your embouchure that makes it hard. But it's not impossible, amateur musicians are capable of doing it.

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Try using different syllables. taka, diga, etc

Thanks, yeah thats pretty much what im doing now. Just messing around with lots of different syllables. Its not comin nearly as easily as it did on trumpet!

 

 

Im pretty sure its not impossible, i've heard it done by woodwinds before.

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It's not impossible to double tongue on a WW because I can double tongue 32nds at 160 on a bari sax and many others that came from my high school can double tongue. I use ta-ka-ta-ka.

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double tonguing takes a bit of work. i started learning when i was a freshman and now, im a double tonguing fiend. i think i maxed out at about 16ths at 220 something.

 

however, always start slow. i personally prefer tu ku tu ku. i've used di ga di ga and even some weird ones my friend and i made up (try guacamole.) anyways, start slow. set your metronome to 100 and tongue quarter notes on only tus first. then do kus. so it'll sound like this. "TU TU TU TU" rest "KU KU KU KU" start on G and move up chromatically to the octave. after that, subdivide it lk this. "tu ku tu ku tu ku tu ku" rest 4 "ku tu ku tu ku tu ku tu" remember, you can use any syllable you want. find the one that works best for you. after you do the second set (the subdivided one) you should work on doing pentatonic scales. double tonguing is dead simple on one note. changing notes is the hardest part. do this and in a while you'll be whipping out double tonguing skills like crazy.

 

double tonguing on a saxophone is apparently one of the easier woodwind instruments to do it on. i've heard its incredibly difficult on a clarinet, but i had no trouble doing it when i tried a clarinet. maybe its easier to learn it on one instrument and move it to another.

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Double tounging on a WW is one of the more harder things to do, but it beats the heck out of single tounging at 170! I usually get way ahead of myself, and start going at different tempos, so my tounge is sometimes ahead of my fingers, and sometimes behind. It's something I would much rather not do, buut... like I said, it beats the heck out of tounging at 170.

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Haha, I've seen pieces like that "Ballad for Roland" thing before. We had one in our band library called... oh geez I can't remember. I'll try to figure it out though.

 

And flutter tonguing... Think of the "r" sound in spanish... the kinda rolled sound. Play your saxophone and do that. That's basically flutter tonguing. You also have diddle tonguing, where you tongue the reed on the bottom of the tip of the reed and then on the top of the reed. It sounds very cool when you can find someone that does it well. One of my friends was a beast at it. Incidentally, he was at 4A state last year. Mculbert07, did you ever meet James? I think he was first chair at 4A state last year.

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Haha, I've seen pieces like that "Ballad for Roland" thing before. We had one in our band library called... oh geez I can't remember. I'll try to figure it out though.

 

And flutter tonguing... Think of the "r" sound in spanish... the kinda rolled sound. Play your saxophone and do that. That's basically flutter tonguing. You also have diddle tonguing, where you tongue the reed on the bottom of the tip of the reed and then on the top of the reed. It sounds very cool when you can find someone that does it well. One of my friends was a beast at it. Incidentally, he was at 4A state last year. Mculbert07, did you ever meet James? I think he was first chair at 4A state last year.

I don't think I met James. He was first chair Alto (blond guy with a goatee? That guy had killer tone!), I was on Tenor (last chair unfortunately. I worked more on my piece for solo and ensemble more and didnt care too much about my chair at state. I was just glad to have finally made it.)

 

Thats one way to flutter tongue. An easy way is to fold the front of your tongue to where it touches the roof and blow. Once you get that down, try it with a sax.

 

If that doesn't work, just hum a different note while you play. Nice little growl effect. If you sing a pitch at the right interval, it sounds like flutter tonging.

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I had the pleasure of sitting next to James at 4A. Incidentally, we did discuss diddle tounging a little bit, and I started to mess with it a little thereafter. After awhile, it seems to take its toll on the tongue a little (cuts into mine a little bit), though it may be possible that I use a little too much tongue in the process. Also, one's setup likely affects this type of tonguing as well.

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Hahha it's funny that you said it cut your tongue but not in a macabre way. One football game, James was messing around with diddle tonguing and and about 5 minutes later I looked at his reed and said, "Holy crap, dude. Your reed is red." He had cut his tongue while diddle tonguing. It took us about the whole game to figure out what was bleeding. Haha we had a good kick out of it afterwards.

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One of our Bari players was trying (unsuccessfully) to diddle tongue once during a parade, cut his tongue and he didn't notice, tried to empty out his spit valve and the spit was completely red. He hasn't tried any kind of multiple tonguing since then.

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