You Cant Please All of the People, All of the Time

[CHS King Mello]

  bluebellbrass07 said:

Are you kidding me?

 

Just because you don't like the way the Cadets ballad was arranged doesn't mean its a bad arrangement. I thought it was amazing

I wasn't talking exclusively about The Cadets. Look at BD lately... in every show since like 01 you can pick this out:

 

duh duh duh dut dut duh duh duh dut dut DAHHHH

 

I'm not saying it's in every corps, but in a lot of them, it is. music just isn't arranged the same in drum corps anymore. I can't really say that it's gotten better or worse (IMO, I liked it better in the 90's.)

 

and for the record, The Cadets 06 ballad was very good. I just wish I would have heard the hornline more than the singer.

 

-C

[Fortisimo]

  CHS King Mello said:

I wasn't arguing.

 

I just disagree with musical instruments becoming a dieing craft. in the South Carolina equivilent of this forum, we discussed the fact that drum corps don't satisfy a lot of people musically as they used to. That's not because people don't know how to play their instruments, it's because music isn't arranged the same way it used to be.

 

and music programs being cut across the nation isn't because kids don't want to learn, it's because schools recieve poor funding from governments who'd rather pay for the lottery than a decent education.

 

again, no hard feelings... forums are meant for discussion.

 

-C

I can agree with that too an extent; that's not to say that there aren't any good arrangers around, but it seems that they have their on and off pieces- granted the same will hold true for many different artistic pursuits and for all artists within them. The difference though, is I think (due to increasing workloads being focused on more reknowned arrangers/composers) they are coming under so much pressure to get so much done that they are less willing to throw out something they've begun work on and start over and are therefore much more likely to settle for crap. That's just me though.

[TX Suh-nare]

One thing that adds to that, I believe, is how shows are comprised of several pieces chopped up and blended. Old school drum corps (especially old Garfield Cadets) was all about keeping the piece as authentic and as close to the original as possible, not like modern day Cadets where they chop up stuff like crazy and paste little snippets of motives (mini-melodies) here and there frequently (not just '06, but '04 and '05 too).

 

One reason for the "tuning out" of fans is progress. Most arrangers have veered away from the original composition and made someone elses work their own. It's not always a bad thing. Malaguena isn't originally an orchestral tune, the Scouts arranged it off of a mariachi guitar piece. You just have to be careful with it, or you'll get another show that is unappreciated by the majority of drum corps nerds.

 

 

Long Story Short: Most people prefer whole steaks to shishkabob, and they prefer most of a piece of music to sound like the original instead of your original idea for it.

[cordefrancais]

Has anyone here actually listened to the Cadets '06 show designer's comments on the Finals DVD? It's eye-opening and informative. You'll hear the word "mistake" used by the commentator. I think that shows that the Cadets were trying something innovative. Whether or not people received it well is all part of the trial and error process. I wish the best of luck to the 2007 Cadets. Here's to another great season of drum corps.

[Fortisimo]

Hmmm, I can think of other examples of such mistakes... but I shan't get into that here. It seems pretty clear that they are using this next year to step back away from "innovation" and are trying to make a show that doesn't suck this year. Seeing as the Cavaliers have already basically set themselves up for failure with their show idea, I think this upcoming year is a good time for them to not suck (since now they will actually have a chance of winning).

[cordefrancais]

Failure based simply on a show announcement? Ouch.

[Skippy]

  Fortisimo said:

Hmmm, I can think of other examples of such mistakes... but I shan't get into that here. It seems pretty clear that they are using this next year to step back away from "innovation" and are trying to make a show that doesn't suck this year. Seeing as the Cavaliers have already basically set themselves up for failure with their show idea, I think this upcoming year is a good time for them to not suck (since now they will actually have a chance of winning).

Man, what a naive comment.

[Fortisimo]

I've seen it happen many times. I might be wrong, but then again, I wouldn't say it unless I was quite confident. I am going to say that I am, at this point, 85% sure that the Cavaliers will not win this year.

[thesnareguy]

  Fortisimo said:

I've seen it happen many times. I might be wrong, but then again, I wouldn't say it unless I was quite confident. I am going to say that I am, at this point, 85% sure that the Cavaliers will not win this year.

More like 15% chance, Mr. IDM listener.

[Fortisimo]

  thesnareguy said:

More like 15% chance, Mr. IDM listener.

Lol, glass half empty, glass half full. However you want to look at it.

[gavinrh]

  Fortisimo said:

I've seen it happen many times. I might be wrong, but then again, I wouldn't say it unless I was quite confident. I am going to say that I am, at this point, 85% sure that the Cavaliers will not win this year.

I think the Cavaliers have proved that they have more than a good chance of winning every year regardless of what show they are given...with the exception of 2005, where i think a representative of the organization was asked, if you could do one thing differently, what would it be? to which they replied, "Put a door in the middle of the field"

[Fortisimo]

Ok, if that's what you think. You're entitled to your ideas. I place a lot more weight on show design than most, but I don't think I am unrealistic.