BandFan50 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand No offense but the music they are playing is not easy and it quite frankly seems like you're trying to discredit those kiddos hard earned success which is a no go AldoFullilove122 and LeanderMomma 2 Quote
Iplaydadrum Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 4:24 AM, boppellband said: Even then, I feel like 13th in state is still really low for one of the best percussion programs. Again, I can’t really tell that much of a difference between the different drum lines, but I’d figure they’d at least be top 7 at state Expand I would need to see the recaps for finals if that's what you're referring to, but achievement and content go hand and hand. That's why if a drumline played 8's they wouldn't score very high for achievement even though it's clean. I have not seen their show music in person or on video, so I don't know how difficult their music is compared to their standstill show, but I have heard a decent chunk of the top 14's percussion and it's fierce out there. I don't doubt the judging as I agree with the placements that Brooks and Romanowski decided as I probably would have said the same thing, at least for the groups that I've been able to sample. Just to clarify Coppell's percussion is probably pretty clean on the field, it's likely just their show music isn't as hard compared to the rest of the top 14. Quote
Popular Post lost Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand Saying “No Offense” doesn’t make your comment any less offensive. rouseglazer1, BaritoneBallah, Tailgate88 and 3 others 6 Quote
Popular Post packwick Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 4:10 AM, tubapop said: Can someone explain woodlands' high visual score? What exactly about their show earns that score? Expand imma say the fact that they prob had the cleanest show visually based on watching area vids?? cleanest intervals/spacing, good control of timing, cleanest transitions, clear logical and musical transitions, best control of the form in motion, most balanced forms, dynamic, varied, cleanest and most advanced guard, plenty of difficulty in the drill, layered, rich vertical and horizontal orchestration, great projection of style, feet looking clean from upstairs. as to your guuuard question you need to look at the variety, range, and depth of the vocabulary. depth of talent too. does your guard have over 30 members literally running and spinning rifles at the same time before cleanly punctuating that phrase with a clean 30+ member rifle toss? are they blending the movement with the equipment or do they just park and do a basic short phrase? how long and dense are the spinning phrases? how much ambidexterity? are they working from all parts of the equipment? are they varying the height of the tosses, the release and catch points as well? are they doing body work under the toss? it's super easy to do the same basic toss over and over and ooover again. not impressive. how developed are the dynamic efforts of space, time, weight, and flow? is the guard's movement uniform and clean? is the equipment going up and down at the same time when you're looking at it from upstairs? is it pure chaos lol? those kinds of things. def you're not alone on these forums on the vis side of things!! im constantly baffled by ppl's takes on vis performance here LOL. many directors don't understand it either!! whitewing09, LostChoirGuy, justabandkid94 and 3 others 6 Quote
rombotine Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, SomeBandNerd said: Anyone have a video of Hebron's final performance? Expand Indeed, my friend 🤫 Quote
Iplaydadrum Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, SomeBandNerd said: Anyone have a video of Hebron's final performance? Expand Quote
Popular Post packwick Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand trolls gonna troll. easy music? LOL. gtfo. Rubisco, Nny14, HornBlorgis9000 and 5 others 6 2 Quote
Tubalord11 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:00 AM, packwick said: trolls gonna troll. easy music? LOL. gtfo. Expand Yeah it's by NO Means easy. Was blown away by their musical talent/capabilities when watching them live at area H, I'm not surprised at all that they won, just so, so clean BandFan50 and gregorydf01 2 Quote
tubapop Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 4:56 AM, packwick said: imma say the fact that they prob had the cleanest show visually based on watching area vids?? cleanest intervals/spacing, good control of timing, cleanest transitions, clear logical and musical transitions, best control of the form in motion, most balanced forms, dynamic, varied, cleanest and most advanced guard, plenty of difficulty in the drill, layered, rich vertical and horizontal orchestration, great projection of style, feet looking clean from upstairs. as to your guuuard question you need to look at the variety, range, and depth of the vocabulary. depth of talent too. does your guard have over 30 members literally running and spinning rifles at the same time before cleanly punctuating that phrase with a clean 30+ member rifle toss? are they blending the movement with the equipment or do they just park and do a basic short phrase? how long and dense are the spinning phrases? how much ambidexterity? are they working from all parts of the equipment? are they varying the height of the tosses, the release and catch points as well? are they doing body work under the toss? it's super easy to do the same basic toss over and over and ooover again. not impressive. how developed are the dynamic efforts of space, time, weight, and flow? is the guard's movement uniform and clean? is the equipment going up and down at the same time when you're looking at it from upstairs? is it pure chaos lol? those kinds of things. def you're not alone on these forums on the vis side of things!! im constantly baffled by ppl's takes on vis performance here LOL. many directors don't understand it either!! Expand Thanks for the detailed answer. I'll try to start watching guard more and the winds less to gain an appreciation for that side. Quote
MikeKyu Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand You may want to back off of the salt. I know it hurts when you favorite band doesn't win but you cannot honestly believe the Vandy book is easy. If it was your favorite band probably would have played it. BandFan50 and ElectricTuba 2 Quote
CloudFuel Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 RR in 10th for visual ensemble and 2nd for individual ensemble is WILD. Cy-Fair in 3rd for visual ensemble and 12th for individual ensemble too. Quote
Popular Post aaron067 Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand Vandegrift's music was one of the hardest books on the field this year. Period. Their dance team exhibits the same level of skill in dance that the best guards exhibit in equipment work. It's different, not lesser than. Props have exactly no place on any rubric in any competitive circuit. If a group chooses to use props and they're integrated into the design in an interactive manner, then that can contribute to design/ge points. Otherwise, they don't add or detract. Especially at UIL. Carl, BandFan95 and TrebleMaker2 3 Quote
Vidal28 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 7:07 AM, aaron067 said: Vandegrift's music was one of the hardest books on the field this year. Period. Their dance team exhibits the same level of skill in dance that the best guards exhibit in equipment work. It's different, not lesser than. Props have exactly no place on any rubric in any competitive circuit. If a group chooses to use props and they're integrated into the design in an interactive manner, then that can contribute to design/ge points. Otherwise, they don't add or detract. Especially at UIL. Expand My only rhetorical question here, just as absurd to ask as the contention being thrown out, they have all these objections to Vandy, if they’re not the winner in your eyes, where would you rank them? They have all these failings apparently, should they even be in finals at all?😂 Quote
BandFan50 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 I really hope this person isn't a member of one of the outstanding programs from this contest because that would be very unfortunate 😬 Quote
seafoodbuffet Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 2:09 PM, BandFan50 said: I really hope this person isn't a member of one of the outstanding programs from this contest because that would be very unfortunate 😬 Expand Given their username, maybe a salty member of the board for Music For All angry that UIL went to state every year? 🤣🤣🤣 Quote
CPGuardDad Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 10:55 PM, Saxplayer6 said: Hey does anyone have a vid of vista. I was waiting to see them but unfortunately had to leave. Expand I don't know if you're still looking, but the band's official YouTube channel has the run posted. https://www.youtube.com/@VistaRidgeBandVideo Quote
seafoodbuffet Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 4:17 PM, Asaiah said: Anyone know the titles of Vandegrift's and Marcus's ballads? Expand Vandy’s is 715 - Creeks by Bon Iver. Quote
bancl Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 Here is something I would love to know: Who are the designers for each of the 14 Finalists? Program Coordinator, Drill Writer, Arranger? TheSV-001Gamer 1 Quote
lost Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:28 PM, bancl said: Here is something I would love to know: Who are the designers for each of the 14 Finalists? Program Coordinator, Drill Writer, Arranger? Expand I think Pearland is with Cartwright. I don’t know the rest. I think Keller might be arranged by Chambers? I don’t know whether they still work with her or not. Quote
pancake Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:28 PM, bancl said: Here is something I would love to know: Who are the designers for each of the 14 Finalists? Program Coordinator, Drill Writer, Arranger? Expand ryan george arranges for coppell and vista ridge Quote
washedupalum2017 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 3:49 AM, BoAisBetter said: No offense to any Vandy fans here, but I genuinely hope Marcus wipes the floor with Vandegrift at SA SR. “Dance team,” no props, and frankly easy music… Genuinely no idea why they’ve struck gold these last 2 years at UIL. Expand unsure why you're under the impression that having props or not somehow makes a show better or more difficult -- total non-sequiter. quite frankly w/ the general design direction high school band has been trending in, it's refreshing to see a program be so successful without spending tens of thousands on fabricating props. BandFan50 and tubapop 2 Quote
Popular Post LHSax Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 It's so weird seeing the prop argument from this perspective considering Marcus (the band that "should wipe the floor") in its heyday (late 2000's, early 2010's) was notoriously known for their extravagant props, which often sparked debate on here along the lines of "Marcus is only winning because of their huge prop budget" (this was not the case). Seeing the opposite argument of "Vandy shouldn't win" due to lack of props is bizarre to say the least. Dallas Hobbs, MikeKyu, BandFan95 and 3 others 6 Quote
BandFan95 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 6:54 PM, LHSax said: It's so weird seeing the prop argument from this perspective considering Marcus (the band that "should wipe the floor") in its heyday (late 2000's, early 2010's) was notoriously known for their extravagant props, which often sparked debate on here along the lines of "Marcus is only winning because of their huge prop budget" (this was not the case). Seeing the opposite argument of "Vandy shouldn't win" due to lack of props is bizarre to say the least. Expand Indeed. Why do props and flags and riffles matter? All of this wreaks of sour grapes. Quote
Popular Post oddlynormal Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2023 As an older dog in this world it is hilarious to see people flame a band for not having props. Back in my day we whined about the opposite. Boy things have changed. I think marching band has evolved to a point that it has pushed boundaries we once would have called blasphemy. I am glad UIL has moved to this new system. Every single band in finals played well...most bands out of finals played well. What we have done allowing UIL to transform to include the evolution of the activity has made marching band EVERY BIT as valuable, if not more so, than a lot of DCI activities. I would say marching band is starting to push DCI a bit. The lived experience is getting pretty dang close! Not to say a high school band can perform at the level of a top tier corps, if given the same rehearsal structure, I think quite a few of these bands easily very well could. Y'all complaining about the level at which a band performs is comical. Every single band had a tough as nails book visually and musically. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but unless you are getting your rear end kicked in the ring with these groups you are whining. Stop that. Appreciate the art and the hard work that goes into this activity. Tearing down another group isn't cool. Nny14, AldoFullilove122, Dallas Hobbs and 7 others 9 1 Quote
BandFan50 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 It does make a more enjoyable show to have the props and it's really cool but they are just bells and whistles really, sprinkles on a cake Quote
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