Popular Post Euphonist Posted October 6 Popular Post Share Posted October 6 Honestly I believe that the judges were way too harsh on rock hill tonight but I’m glad to see that Wakeland is still good. I also believe that lone star could have been ranked higher than 7th but after all this is an opinion. ChristopherRoden, Ifyfdthvdyl and LoneStarSuperFan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubalord11 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Just got out of the shower lol, so sorry for the delayed response Congratulations to Hebron on getting the 3-peat!! Scores were super closed as expected, will be super tight between Flomo and Hebron all season long, and I'm guessing Marcus whenever they show up. Great stuff from TC, looking like a potential medalist at St Louis?? We'll see how they do next weekend, but I'm expecting a great season from them. Really excited to see how those that were here going to prosper do, will drop my final preds for that soon. Amazing job again to everyone, and thanks for the awesome day of performances!! LoneStarSuperFan and Gehrig4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tennertrumbow Posted October 6 Popular Post Share Posted October 6 proud alum of lone star. their highest placement here ever, and beating both Keller and LD Bell (both ranked top 32 in the country on hornrank) by 2+ points is no joke at all. look forward to seeing them in person at prosper next week, and see them wreck some stuff in uil! LoneStarSuperFan, hlfarexs, Tubalord11 and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 This is certainly top three most competitive regular season regionals in the country! Every band here showed up! dfwbandmom and Tubalord11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaxSoldier Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 anyone have the prelims scoresheet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushpresident Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, SaxSoldier said: anyone have the prelims scoresheet? https://marching.musicforall.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2024/10/2024_Dallas_MC_Prelims.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicLimbo Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Keller 12th in prelims and Forney and Azle first two out???? Very spicy Tubalord11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Keller was .1 away from missing finals at a contest for the first time in a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubalord11 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 31 minutes ago, CosmicLimbo said: Keller 12th in prelims and Forney and Azle first two out???? Very spicy And then we have a crazy about of shifting from prelims to finals. Keller 12th to 8th, Southlake from 7th to 11th, pretty sure Flomo and Hebron were the only bands who didn’t move up or down lol DrumLine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrumLine Posted October 6 Popular Post Share Posted October 6 A night's sleep to reflect -- The season-long battle between Hebron and FloMo is appointment viewing. Hebron is so incredibly ... perfect, while FloMo is so incredibly, well, "FloMo" and so breathtaking/fun to watch. I wish Marcus had been there last night to join the mix. Another season-long UIL 5A battle to watch: Wakeland vs. Lone Star. These two schools are located just 3 MILES from each other, yet they both embody excellence. IN MY OPINION: Lone Star's music and GE is better this year; while Wakeland's execution, per usual, is flawless and their marching might be second to none. This is a subjective competition, and Lone Star has long been living in Wakeland's shadow, so they've got to overcome that. This was the sixth year that I've attended the BOA Bedford competition, and the quality of the shows keep getting better and better. All finalists should be INCREDIBLY proud. tennertrumbow, JazzRun, LoneStarSuperFan and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumLine Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 15 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said: And then we have a crazy about of shifting from prelims to finals. Keller 12th to 8th, Southlake from 7th to 11th, pretty sure Flomo and Hebron were the only bands who didn’t move up or down lol This. This! The difference in placements between prelims and finals show just how close all these bands really are. Really intrigued to see how BOA Prosper shakes out next week with all the out-of-state bands joining the fun. Tubalord11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moosicmamma Posted October 6 Popular Post Share Posted October 6 40 minutes ago, DrumLine said: A night's sleep to reflect -- The season-long battle between Hebron and FloMo is appointment viewing. Hebron is so incredibly ... perfect, while FloMo is so incredibly, well, "FloMo" and so breathtaking/fun to watch. I wish Marcus had been there last night to join the mix. Another season-long UIL 5A battle to watch: Wakeland vs. Lone Star. These two schools are located just 3 MILES from each other, yet they both embody excellence. IN MY OPINION: Lone Star's music and GE is better this year; while Wakeland's execution, per usual, is flawless and their marching might be second to none. This is a subjective competition, and Lone Star has long been living in Wakeland's shadow, so they've got to overcome that. This was the sixth year that I've attended the BOA Bedford competition, and the quality of the shows keep getting better and better. All finalists should be INCREDIBLY proud. Lone Star and Wakeland also share MS Band feeders. The students are very close, not only in competition but in friendship within the programs! Proud to be a part of TeamFriscoBands. JazzRun, 3xBrassMom, astronautika and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gerys_Goulash Posted October 6 Popular Post Share Posted October 6 General thoughts I have from last night Hebron. Wow. What a show. I cannot wait to see what they do this season because they completely took me away. Same with Flower Mound. Their show was so colorful and full of emotion. Lewisville ISD will be super fun to watch this year (as always) Wakeland's show was super feel-good and brought a smile to my face. I enjoyed it. I think they will take 5A by storm. Same with Aledo. I cannot wait to see Asphalt Cocktail on the field!! Timber Creek made school history as well! This was their first time scoring in the top half of finals at this competition. Their show was fantastic and their score was deserved. Keller and Bell. I was shocked I saw them placed so low. It feels weird hearing their name announced that early. I am sure they will bounce back from this competition. Lonestar. What. A. Show. Amazing use of colors and the trombone solo in the ballad was really beautiful. I love the theme and the music brought me chills from how well it was played. Overall amazing job to all of the ensembles that performed today. It was truly a magical night. Tubalord11, hlfarexs and LtlDrmmrBoi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanbag52 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Does anybody else think it’s weird how General Effect counts for 60% of the scoring for BOA? That seems very excessive, especially considering not a lot of people can even define what it means. Can anyone here explain for me? lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaxSoldier Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 18 minutes ago, Beanbag52 said: Does anybody else think it’s weird how General Effect counts for 60% of the scoring for BOA? That seems very excessive, especially considering not a lot of people can even define what it means. Can anyone here explain for me? I’ve thought the same thing. General effect includes stuff like props and uniforms, basically the feeling you get after seeing a good movie, but in this case after a marching show. And that’s stuff the kids don’t control. That counts towards 60% of their scoring!! You would think a contest would be more focused on the work the kids produce, and not the things money produces. And not that kids don’t control GE, just a HUGE portion of it is produced by money that not all schools can afford to fund. ChristopherRoden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubalord11 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 14 minutes ago, SaxSoldier said: I’ve thought the same thing. General effect includes stuff like props and uniforms, basically the feeling you get after seeing a good movie, but in this case after a marching show. And that’s stuff the kids don’t control. That counts towards 60% of their scoring!! You would think a contest would be more focused on the work the kids produce, and not the things money produces. And not that kids don’t control GE, just a HUGE portion of it is produced by money that not all schools can afford to fund. I like to think of GE of how well the students connect with the judges and the audience through the music and the drill. While, as you have stated, some of it depends on props and uniforms, I'd say most of its kids from the kids and the design of the show. I always recall to Reagan 2019, who had almost no props, yet their GE score was insanely high. Why, because they were able to bring out the ideas and concepts of the show to live through how well the executed the show. Does this make it easier for larger bands, yes. Do I think you need a lot of props and custom uniforms to have a lot of GE, not at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanbag52 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 8 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said: I like to think of GE of how well the students connect with the judges and the audience through the music and the drill. While, as you have stated, some of it depends on props and uniforms, I'd say most of its kids from the kids and the design of the show. I always recall to Reagan 2019, who had almost no props, yet their GE score was insanely high. Why, because they were able to bring out the ideas and concepts of the show to live through how well the executed the show. Does this make it easier for larger bands, yes. Do I think you need a lot of props and custom uniforms to have a lot of GE, not at all! How do you think the rankings would have been different if at all if it were judged by UIL scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubalord11 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 5 minutes ago, Beanbag52 said: How do you think the scoring would have been different if at all if it were judged by UIL scoring? I feel like UIL focuses mainly on how clean everything is. Of course there's specifics they are looking for, that list is very long, but I'd say it's pretty close to what the 4 music and visual judges look for, but it's hard to tell for these bands specifically since most of their first UIL scored comp is normally area. I don't think too much would change placement wise, maybe some small things, but you could just add up the music and visual overall scores and make the bands total score out of 40 to see how rankings would be. Beanbag52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarinetistkai05 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, CosmicLimbo said: Keller 12th in prelims and Forney and Azle first two out???? Very spicy ironically forney got the same placement as last year. sucks in general, but they still got a few more weeks to push thru the season, so im rooting for them! im planning on attending their community performance next weekend, so ill be with them another week (if everything works out). Tubalord11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostChoirGuy Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 While GE is definitely impacted by design, I don't think its as much about the props and colors and pizazz that so many seem to suggest. It is more about the wow moments where the music locks into place due to excellent intonation and expression or when the marching and formations lead to awesome moments. I'm both cases, an amazing design will fail without excellent execution. You can watch videos of some of the top bands in the country throughout a season and see that as they clean, their GE score is greatly increased as well because their shows become more effective. Tubalord11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarinetistkai05 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 8 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said: I feel like UIL focuses mainly on how clean everything is. Of course there's specifics they are looking for, that list is very long, but I'd say it's pretty close to what the 4 music and visual judges look for, but it's hard to tell for these bands specifically since most of their first UIL scored comp is normally area. I don't think too much would change placement wise, maybe some small things, but you could just add up the music and visual overall scores and make the bands total score out of 40 to see how rankings would be. is that also why some schools tend to perform better at UIL compared to BOA? i dont have examples on the top of my head, but it’s something I’ve noticed with a few schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 46 minutes ago, SaxSoldier said: I’ve thought the same thing. General effect includes stuff like props and uniforms, basically the feeling you get after seeing a good movie, but in this case after a marching show. And that’s stuff the kids don’t control. That counts towards 60% of their scoring!! You would think a contest would be more focused on the work the kids produce, and not the things money produces. And not that kids don’t control GE, just a HUGE portion of it is produced by money that not all schools can afford to fund. This is an untrue description, and a harmful one at that. Ronald Reagan put up what was the highest score in BOA regional history at the time with zero props and a traditional uniform. General effect is instead focused more on the cohesion of a show. The reason the high-placing bands in music and visual usually also have high GE scores is because a well-performed show is much more effective in delivering it's intended message than a poorly-performed one. Yes, GE is tied with money in being able to hire better visual designers and writers but it is not as much tied to props and uniforms like you present. You still need great execution even with an objectively amazing design though, it's why every band with a recycled Cartwright show doesn't have flawless GE scores, but why Broken Arrow broke a 98 with one of his shows. Hard Core Band Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubalord11 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 minute ago, clarinetistkai05 said: is that also why some schools tend to perform better at UIL compared to BOA? i dont have examples on the top of my head, but it’s something I’ve noticed with a few schools. Well first off, UIL is later in the season compared to most of the Tx regionals, meaning more rehearsals and time to polish and clean, which is obviously a major factor in a good performance. I personally feel like we see the bands who are successful at one be at the other, with the consistent regional/SR finalist, especially for 6A, being those we see make finals at state. Of course, you'll have some that make finals at one not at the other due to some bands not being at both, but I think the biggest variation being that some bands simply have better runs that those consistent regional finalists at area. Performance quality is the biggest part in making finals at any type of comp, but it's something that UIL focuses more heavily on with not having any GE judging until state, if you really count that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berinskygaming Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 herbon , well deserve Win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbandfan Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Keep in mind that visual GE is only 1/3 of the entire GE score. While props and costuming can contribute to GE, it isn’t even necessary as propless shows succeed on a yearly basis. Southlake Carroll’s show was filled with backdrops, props, bubble machines, theme specific uniforms, some guard members had glittery lobster hands, and was 7th in Vis GE. But was 12th in Music GE and 11th in GE overall. astronautika 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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