UIL 6A Area B 2024

[John Smith]

On 7/29/2024 at 3:27 PM, LostChoirGuy said:

If anyone has heard anything about Keller's show, I would love to hear about it in a PM.  Thanks!

Seen everything but can’t say everything, great show and actually has a noticeable theme throughout the show, hopefully this is the show that puts Keller back on the road to juggernaut status, seeing as they’ve been weirdly struggling these past two years 

[josephbandfan]

On 8/3/2024 at 12:32 AM, John Smith said:

Seen everything but can’t say everything, great show and actually has a noticeable theme throughout the show, hopefully this is the show that puts Keller back on the road to juggernaut status, seeing as they’ve been weirdly struggling these past two years 

To be fair, they have been going through designer and director changes the past couple years. And 3 more director changes this year.
 

But I am really excited for this show. Seems like it’ll be a more interesting and memorable one.

[SCVanguard]

 

[pancake]

On 8/9/2024 at 1:18 PM, SCVanguard said:

 

ouch rough draws for coppell and keller

[LostChoirGuy]

I don't think either group will have trouble making finals and that order is what matters more.  Still, that is pretty crazy that they will be going so early.

[crunchycookie3]

Only 4 state spots between:
-Coppell
-Keller
-LDB
-Haltom
-SLC
-TC
Yikes.

[TrenBS]

1 hour ago, crunchycookie3 said:

Only 4 state spots between:
-Coppell
-Keller
-LDB
-Haltom
-SLC
-TC
Yikes.

UIL provide opportunities to state level bands challenge: Impossible

[BoneGuy4]

Yeah area C definitely got the better end of this whole change. Area B and J are kinda thrown into the deep end.

[TrenBS]

Im honestly kind of shocked they didn't add more state slots to these areas or make the amount of groups advancing to area create more slots for 6A (4 per slot would be one idea) due to the increased quality of many of these bands and areas.

3 slots would remain for A, 4 slots would go to G, 5 slots to B, C, H, and J, 6 to D, E, and F, and area I would most likely have 6-7.

Looking at the rosters, the only 2 areas that would have a feeling of too much slot inflation would maybe be I and E, but at the same time its not a big deal when considering that area B and J would be dropping (taking Timber Creek and Prosper as the examples for taking their 4th slots) SLC, Haltom, Keller Central, Wylie, Wylie East, McKinney Boyd, and my personal dark horses being Lake Ridge and McKinney High, and telling me these bands dont deserve to make state while the justification for these changes being to “allow for more even state qualifier representation across the state” is pretty silly to me.

 

Heres a prediction so that this isnt merely a rant post lol:

1. Keller

2. Coppell

3. L.D. Bell

4. Timber Creek

5. Keller Central

6. Southlake Carroll

7. Haltom

8. Lake Ridge

9. Trinity

10. Boswell

[BoneGuy4]

On 8/9/2024 at 1:18 PM, SCVanguard said:

 

Can someone tell me what this means? It looks like the performance order for Area B, and if it is why haven’t I seen it for any other areas?

[TrenBS]

1 hour ago, BoneGuy4 said:

Can someone tell me what this means? It looks like the performance order for Area B, and if it is why haven’t I seen it for any other areas?

Different areas have different places they put them (Area Js is somewhere on the region 20 site), but its the draw order where each band is randomly assigned a number for the area order

[BandNerd07]

So lately, you all might've seen me post a prediction of every band's placement in other areas, but haven't done so here, so here's my predictions:

1. Coppell

2. Keller

3. LD Bell

4. Timber Creek

5. Keller Central 

6. Southlake Carroll

7. Haltom 

8. Lake Ridge

9. Trinity

10. Boswell

11. Martin

12. North Crowley

13. Legacy

14. Mansfield

15. Crowley

16. Arlington 

17. South Grand Prairie

18. Weatherford 

19. Cedar Hill

20. Bowie (may or may not advance)

21. Lamar (may or may not advance)

22. Grand Prairie (may or may not advance)

23. Sam Houston (probably won't advance)

[BANDKIDCORE]

4 hours ago, BandNerd07 said:

So lately, you all might've seen me post a prediction of every band's placement in other areas, but haven't done so here, so here's my predictions:

1. Coppell

2. Keller

3. LD Bell

4. Timber Creek

5. Keller Central 

6. Southlake Carroll

7. Haltom 

8. Lake Ridge

9. Trinity

10. Boswell

11. Martin

12. North Crowley

13. Legacy

14. Mansfield

15. Crowley

16. Arlington 

17. South Grand Prairie

18. Weatherford 

19. Cedar Hill

20. Bowie (may or may not advance)

21. Lamar (may or may not advance)

22. Grand Prairie (may or may not advance)

23. Sam Houston (probably won't advance)

if you even go off of last years area results. SGP at 17 is crazy to me. they beat arlington, crowley, martin, north crowley and was 1 below mansfield. it’s really crazy to put arlington over sgp when they’ve constantly beaten them at area. also marin hoping form 21 to 11 is highly questionable. north crowley over legacy??

[BandNerd07]

13 hours ago, BANDNERD53 said:

if you even go off of last years area results. SGP at 17 is crazy to me. they beat arlington, crowley, martin, north crowley and was 1 below mansfield. it’s really crazy to put arlington over sgp when they’ve constantly beaten them at area. also marin hoping form 21 to 11 is highly questionable. north crowley over legacy??

Yeah I do realize my predictions are questionable. And it might seem like Martin's jump is big but that's because all the region 20 bands are gone. And I guess I might've place some bands a little too high and others a little too low. Anyways, here's my revised 11-17:

11. South Grand Prairie

12. Legacy

13. Mansfield

14. North Crowley

15. Martin

16. Crowley

17. Arlington

So how does this seem? A little bit more accurate?

[Tubalord11]

1 hour ago, BandNerd07 said:

Yeah I do realize my predictions are questionable. And it might seem like Martin's jump is big but that's because all the region 20 bands are gone. And I guess I might've place some bands a little too high and others a little too low. Anyways, here's my revised 11-17:

11. South Grand Prairie

12. Legacy

13. Mansfield

14. North Crowley

15. Martin

16. Crowley

17. Arlington

So how does this seem? A little bit more accurate?

I wouldn’t let others get to you to much when making predictions, especially when it’s this early. I think Martin has a chance at making a comeback, especially since they will have had a year with the new staff. Anything is possible, especially like you said with all the region 20 bands being gone. 

[theden_08]

Is there a recording from Lake Ridge’s game on friday?

[BandNerd07]

Yes there is. Here it is:

https://youtu.be/BRTy_ls3A_c?si=2nuLEQ81S563eiX4

[vandi]

Why would they restrict this competition to so little available state spots? This is after all one of the most competitive areas and I believe that this area needs the most spots able to take bands to state. I seriously think this is unfair for any bands that were on the rise, as now we will only see the same bands every year....

[tubapop]

3 hours ago, vandi said:

Why would they restrict this competition to so little available state spots? This is after all one of the most competitive areas and I believe that this area needs the most spots able to take bands to state. I seriously think this is unfair for any bands that were on the rise, as now we will only see the same bands every year....

Because the state wants to encourage a geographically diverse representation of bands at UIL state. There's only so many bands that can be accommodated at UIL state, and to give a disproportionate share of those spots to a single area to the detriment of another area that may not have the same affluence and privileges as North Texas or hill country bands is unfair. Just as one example, the weather in August and September is hot in north Dallas and Austin, but the wet bulbs are worse in Houston, and that doesn't factor in the risk of tropical storms and hurricanes. They're trying to make it fair, and I salute them for it.

PS, my comments aren't just for area B, they're for all areas where folks wonder why we can't take more bands to state.

 

[TrenBS]

1 hour ago, tubapop said:

Because the state wants to encourage a geographically diverse representation of bands at UIL state. There's only so many bands that can be accommodated at UIL state, and to give a disproportionate share of those spots to a single area to the detriment of another area that may not have the same affluence and privileges as North Texas or hill country bands is unfair. Just as one example, the weather in August and September is hot in north Dallas and Austin, but the wet bulbs are worse in Houston, and that doesn't factor in the risk of tropical storms and hurricanes. They're trying to make it fair, and I salute them for it.

PS, my comments aren't just for area B, they're for all areas where folks wonder why we can't take more bands to state.

 

While I can respect the logic of having more geographical representation, the way it has been implemented has come to the detriment of many bands in the affected areas (primarily B, C, and J), where now we see overall less representation across multiple districts and the areas, where realistically, theres only a single state slot in area J that can be claimed other than the big 3 for LISD being constant top 10 at the SMBC, and the same applies to area B with only Keller Central and maybe another group having the realistic ability to counter the Coppell, L.D. Bell, Timber Creek, and Keller, which in fact, is all the state slots comprised of 2-3 state finalists, which leaves area C who are the only area who benefits in terms of more diversity and healthy amounts of competition in the finalists, as besides Forney and Waxahachie the last 2 slots could go to essentially anyone.

The current competition at the DFW area (which is the only area really affected by this change in 6A) is unhealthy, we are forcing 4-8 state qualifier worthy programs PER area to compete for 1 (or less haha) slots for the sake of geographical diversity, but weve now created 2 district monopoly areas where only 1 program that isnt LISD and maybe even no other programs could realistically beat the current top 4 at area B can be represented at the SMBC besides MAYBE a complete staff or zoning change, and that is a problem.

If they are going to remove slots from these already competitive areas to introduce another area, they should have looked at the process as a whole and changed it to accommodate the creation of a brand new area in the most populated area of DFW, I dont like what  UIL is encouraging in area B and J with the hyper competitiveness of a single slot, the overall quality of bands from top to bottom has dramatically increased since the 90s and 2000s, and the SMBC should reflect the changes in environment we have been experiencing the past 20 years.

Also, just gonna say Im not ranting/yelling at you lmao, you are explaining the thought process UIL was making and I respect you for explaining it as well as you did. I have a fundamental issue with the logic and how it was executed and Ill argue against it all day, but Im not going to shoot the messenger lol

[Gerys_Goulash]

This comp is a bloodbath!

Coppell

Bell

Keller

Timber Creek

Keller Central

Haltom

SLC

Lake ridge

Martin

Trinity

Boswell

SGP

 

4 (potentially 3) state spots is brutal for this area. I still have Coppell, Bell, Keller, and Timber going. I see Keller Central also having a good outcome at this competition. It's sad to see so many talented schools not advance

[crunchycookie3]

Preposterous that the UIL slammed 5 state finals caliber bands in one area and set it up with a maximum of 4 bands to advance. Struggling to see how the UIL feels that this is equitable compared to other areas across the state. UIL has got to get it together! All it takes is the smallest amount of silly judging and Keller, Bell, or Coppell wouldn't advance. Echoing some sentiment from above, I understand the geographic representation aspect, I really do. I just don't understand why the UIL gives that more weight in state than depth of competition. Maybe the UIL needs to reassess their state advancement policy?

It seems like when UIL drafts the areas, they pay very little attention to history of success, which may be good to help keep it balanced. But keeping this area like this for 2 full years is going to be miserable

[BandNerd07]

6 hours ago, crunchycookie3 said:

Preposterous that the UIL slammed 5 state finals caliber bands in one area and set it up with a maximum of 4 bands to advance. Struggling to see how the UIL feels that this is equitable compared to other areas across the state. UIL has got to get it together! All it takes is the smallest amount of silly judging and Keller, Bell, or Coppell wouldn't advance. Echoing some sentiment from above, I understand the geographic representation aspect, I really do. I just don't understand why the UIL gives that more weight in state than depth of competition. Maybe the UIL needs to reassess their state advancement policy?

It seems like when UIL drafts the areas, they pay very little attention to history of success, which may be good to help keep it balanced. But keeping this area like this for 2 full years is going to be miserable

Yes, that is very true. Honestly, it would've just been better to keep 2 areas with 6 bands advancing rather than 3 areas with only 4 advancing. Area B and J are without a doubt the hardest areas in the state now. But things get even more serious in Area J as it's basically a winner-take-all deal with the LISD trio being locks. Area C is definitely getting the good end of the stick here imo. I'm not saying all the bands here are trash, but when you take a look at Area B and J, there's just overall more depth there than Area C. The SMC is intended to represent the best of the best in the state but I don't really think it's working because the best of the best is sometimes not even advancing, meanwhile you have band in West/South TX (no disrespect intented) have it easy. I just kind of wished that the UIL would evaluate this more...

[BandNerd07]

So I really just wanted to show some recognition to a band that no one really talks about, the Sam Houston band. Ive noticed that they are so much more improved musically and visually compared to last year. Even though they don't have much of their show on the field as of this point, they are really showing off, and they may even be looking at a 1st division at UIL and advance to Area for the first time since 2016. Performance starts at 1:58:08

 

[JazzRun]

This is exciting for LD Bell! Wishing them the best for their trip to NYC (and for fundraising) 😀