UIL 6A Area C 2024

[MoBone]

  On 10/26/2024 at 12:17 AM, MoBone said:

Horn plays Duncanville tonight, I was looking forward to watching their show. But no band here for Duncanville. Anyone know what’s up with that? 

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Nevermind they just arrived at the beginning of 2nd quarter 

[Efrin]

  On 10/25/2024 at 5:17 PM, yes8239429847923 said:

I feel like lake highlands has been the least likely band to make state out of RISD, I'm curious what made you put them so high, and also why Pearce and Richardson are below Berkner, Obviously Berkner is doing great but I am pretty sure Pearce would place higher (based on their season so far) but we will see based on how Pearce does at Duncanville tomorrow.

Also from what I've seen, the score North Forney got at US Bands Dallas isn't really indictive of their placement in Area, personally I would have expected (based of their run) that Richardson would have placed above them. Also one of those judges seemed all over the place in finals. Also, Garland is most definitely placing above mesquite from what I've seen in both bands.  

Idk where I'd place rockwall, I saw some of their show and it didn't really stand out to me. 

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For what it's worth (perhaps not much), Lake Highlands placed just above Berkner at BOA Dallas three weeks ago and has placed above Pearce & Richardson at Area C for the past three years. I expect them to be in the mix next Saturday, probably clustered with Berkner and Pearce in the 5th-8th range.

Though they are smaller than the top 6A bands in this area and might not have the kind of high-end "GE" show that grabs a lot of attention, they do so many of the little things that judges care about - musically and visually.  And that drumline is CLEAN.

[MoBone]

Just witnessed Duncanvilles show and…….. wow. Literal show stoppers. Amazing. I spoke to one of the directors and told him, give em heck in San Antonio! 
he gave our band a few kudos too. Said for a band full of freshmen and sophomores were pretty good. Made me feel better about the things we’re doing within this program. And for our future 

[dvillealumni2018]

heres UIL this past Wednesday 

[SaxSoldier]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:15 AM, Efrin said:

For what it's worth (perhaps not much), Lake Highlands placed just above Berkner at BOA Dallas three weeks ago and has placed above Pearce & Richardson at Area C for the past three years. I expect them to be in the mix next Saturday, probably clustered with Berkner and Pearce in the 5th-8th range.

Though they are smaller than the top 6A bands in this area and might not have the kind of high-end "GE" show that grabs a lot of attention, they do so many of the little things that judges care about - musically and visually.  And that drumline is CLEAN.

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keep in mind not all schools has full shows by then so still a toss up🤷

why does this area have to be so unpredictable 😭

[E1.]

  On 10/25/2024 at 4:38 PM, tubaphonium said:

I just spent Thursday watching all of the bands that have advanced to area and here are my predictions. If you have any comments or questions about these predictions let me know.

1. Forney/Wax                      *Forney most likely*
2. Wax/Forney                     *Wax most likely*
3. Sachse/Dville                   * Sachse most likely*
4. Dville/Sachse                      *Dville most likely*
5. Rockwall/ Lake Highland      *Rockwall most likely*
6. Lake Highland/Rockwall        *Lake Highland most likely*
7. Berkner
8. Pearce
9. North Forney
10. Richardson
11. Royce City
12. Rockwall Heath
13. Mesquite
14. Garland
15. North Garland
16. MacArthur 
17. John Horn 
18. Irving
19. Tyler Legacy 
20. Nimitz 
21. Rowlett

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I really think Heath will place higher. Their region run wasn't the best but their BoA waco run I think was great. That was their second time performing their 3rd act and their first time at a boa contest. They placed 18th over Richardson so I definitely think they can place higher than them at area.

[BoneGuy4]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:39 AM, E1. said:

I really think Heath will place higher. Their region run wasn't the best but their BoA waco run I think was great. That was their second time performing their 3rd act and their first time at a boa contest. They placed 18th over Richardson their so I definitely think they can place higher than them at area.

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Dang I didn’t know they placed higher than Richardson. I also heard someone passed out on the field is that true?

[dvillealumni2018]

A lot of people, especially some newer to marching band need to understand that UIL and BOA use two totally different sets of rubrics when it comes to judging. Using results from one to gauge the potential for another isn't the best way to approach things.

[JFNDOWBFAN]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:51 AM, dvillealumni2018 said:

A lot of people, especially some newer to marching band need to understand that UIL and BOA use two totally different sets of rubrics when it comes to judging. Using results from one to gauge the potential for another isn't the best way to approach things.

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Facts

[yayband914]

  On 10/26/2024 at 5:10 AM, JFNDOWBFAN said:

Facts

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If I had a dollar every time I heard or saw some variation of “My band scored a 95 at the Podunk Tapwater High School Invitational, so we should be scoring 95 at Grand Nationals,” I would be able to travel globally in luxury everyday until I pass away. 

[bandisfun49639]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:51 AM, dvillealumni2018 said:

A lot of people, especially some newer to marching band need to understand that UIL and BOA use two totally different sets of rubrics when it comes to judging. Using results from one to gauge the potential for another isn't the best way to approach things.

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I know the rubrics are different between uil and boa contests, but wouldn't it still be a good way to compare schools because they're still judged the same? Sure judges sheets are different, but I feel like boa contest could still be indicative of how schools will match up against each other at UIL contests

[TheBandStan]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:11 PM, bandisfun49639 said:

I know the rubrics are different between uil and boa contests, but wouldn't it still be a good way to compare schools because they're still judged the same? Sure judges sheets are different, but I feel like boa contest could still be indicative of how schools will match up against each other at UIL contests

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Yes and no. (TLDR: BOA can definitely show a good idea of placement at UIL when the scores and placements are wide enough [5+ spots-ish] but when you get in that closer range, the difference in judging can make a real impact on placement between the two contests.)

In general you can definitely make a claim that if you're more than 5 spots apart at a BOA, you'll most likely rank higher in UIL, but when you get within 5 spots of one another, it's less cut and dry. BOA emphasis GE and how impressive your show is from an audience standpoint. Whereas UIL emphasis more traditional ideals of perfect ensemble blend and visual execution with less emphasis on GE. (Which isn't to say BOA doesn't also have really high standards for ensemble blend and execution, BOA just prioritizes other aspects of a show instead of execution alone.) That difference in judging makes it difficult to determine placement for UIL based off BOA. For example, if a BOA show isn't performed it's best but there is a lot of unique music and visual GE, they can place pretty well, but a UIL judge watching that same show is more likely to rank them lower as GE is less of a priority in their rubric.

[Efrin]

  On 10/26/2024 at 4:30 PM, TheBandStan said:

Yes and no. (TLDR: BOA can definitely show a good idea of placement at UIL when the scores and placements are wide enough [5+ spots-ish] but when you get in that closer range, the difference in judging can make a real impact on placement between the two contests.)

In general you can definitely make a claim that if you're more than 5 spots apart at a BOA, you'll most likely rank higher in UIL, but when you get within 5 spots of one another, it's less cut and dry. BOA emphasis GE and how impressive your show is from an audience standpoint. Whereas UIL emphasis more traditional ideals of perfect ensemble blend and visual execution with less emphasis on GE. (Which isn't to say BOA doesn't also have really high standards for ensemble blend and execution, BOA just prioritizes other aspects of a show instead of execution alone.) That difference in judging makes it difficult to determine placement for UIL based off BOA. For example, if a BOA show isn't performed it's best but there is a lot of unique music and visual GE, they can place pretty well, but a UIL judge watching that same show is more likely to rank them lower as GE is less of a priority in their rubric.

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That's a very good explanation that is consistent with what I've always heard/understood.  Lake Highlands is a good example of this. They tend to score much better under UIL judging (an Area B finalist each of the past three years) than BOA.

[SaxSoldier]

  On 10/26/2024 at 4:44 PM, Efrin said:

That's a very good explanation that is consistent with what I've always heard/understood.  Lake Highlands is a good example of this. They tend to score much better under UIL judging (an Area C finalist each of the past three years) than BOA.

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area B* but I agree, i’ve seen crazy point gaps in just two weeks under different judging.

[E1.]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:49 AM, BoneGuy4 said:

Dang I didn’t know they placed higher than Richardson. I also heard someone passed out on the field is that true?

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Richardson placed 27th and Heath placed 18th. I'm not sure if the person passed out or just fell, but I'm pretty sure that it was at the region contest and not boa.

[DallasFan]

  On 10/26/2024 at 2:52 AM, dvillealumni2018 said:

heres UIL this past Wednesday 

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Idk how to judge this Duncanville show. It's good, and they sound good but the visual presentation is really lacking imo. They look good, don't get me wrong there just isn't enough interest visually. Although theres quite a few feet timing problems throughout.

[MoBone]

I know this is a 6A forum but does anyone know the results of tonight’s 5A area C finalist? Nothing populated on the other forum. 

[LostnETX]

North Mesquite, Poteet, Mt Pleasant and Lakeview Centennial qualified for state.  

[J Jiggle]

  On 10/25/2024 at 5:11 PM, Tubalord11 said:

It's gonna be super close between 3-5. Sachse, Rockwall and D-ville honestly all have an equal shot at state imo, and will really come down to their finals performance as to who advances. I think Waxahachie pretty much has 1st in the bag, but Forney will definitely give them a run for their money, it's just hard to know where to place them since they haven't competed in a good while. I'm also not count out JJ Pearce to make state, and tomorrow will really give us a good idea as to where they stand in the 3rd-6th range 

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Now that the Duncanville comp is over, I’m curious how y’all’s predictions have changed. Duncanville had a great show, Rockwall took 6th with an amazing run, Waxahachie was also phenomenal with a 4th place finish… thoughts?

[aaron067]

  On 10/27/2024 at 4:44 AM, J Jiggle said:

Now that the Duncanville comp is over, I’m curious how y’all’s predictions have changed. Duncanville had a great show, Rockwall took 6th with an amazing run, Waxahachie was also phenomenal with a 4th place finish… thoughts?

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I won't share the recap, but I'll say that if you remove the content and design caption, Waxahachie jumps up to 2nd place behind Hebron.  

- The average of music captions creates the rankings of: Hebron, Keller, Waxahachie, Wylie, Carroll, Rockwall

- Visual would have been Hebron, tie between Wylie and Waxahachie, and a tie between Keller, Carroll and Rockwall.

That should give a slightly better sense of how bands might stack up at Area.  

[dstrell]

  On 10/26/2024 at 3:39 AM, E1. said:

I really think Heath will place higher. Their region run wasn't the best but their BoA waco run I think was great. That was their second time performing their 3rd act and their first time at a boa contest. They placed 18th over Richardson so I definitely think they can place higher than them at area.

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How many do they take for state this year? I heard it was 4 or 5

[E1.]

  On 10/27/2024 at 12:33 PM, dstrell said:

How many do they take for state this year? I heard it was 4 or 5

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[dstrell]

Thank you, 3rd to 5th is going to be very interesting, I could definitely see sachse, rockwall, and dville stepping up, Sachse has had a much better season, I feel like they have been slept on, Rockwall and dville has had great seasons too, it’s very hard to see who’s going to state and who’s not, I would also not count out JJ Pearce too, here is my top 6:

1st Waxahachie

2nd Forney

3rd Sachse

4th Duncanville

5th Rockwall

6th JJ Pearce

again 3rd-5th is really hard this year, we’ll see what happens on nov 2

[clarinetistkai05]

  On 10/24/2024 at 7:02 PM, yes8239429847923 said:

I feel bad for the schools like Waxahachie, Richardson, and North Forney who go super early, plus Richardson has an away game the night before in Lake Highlands. Those 3-5 AM call times are gonna suck, plus they will end up having to stay at the competition from like 10 AM until at least 8:45 PM, but realistically more like 10 or 11, assuming they make finals. 

But I do feel like runs earlier in the day do end up being cleaner, since the bands aren't tired yet, but after those long days it must suck to do a run late at night too. 

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they’ll probably leave and go back to their hometowns, i know forney did at bedford last year because of our 4:30 am calltime to get unis.

[Tubalord11]

Gosh this area is just insane. Really wish we had 5 going to state, because someone unfortunately is going to get left out. Rockwall had a great showing last night a D-Ville, but at this point, its just gonna come down to finals. Not really anything has changed from last time, but here's my finals predictions: 

1st. Waxahachie 

2nd. Forney 

3rd. Sachse/Rockwall/Duncanville 

4th. Rockwall/Sachse/D-ville

5th. Duncanville/Sachse/Rockwall 

6th. JJ Pearce 

7th. North Forney 

8th. Berkner 

9th. Lake Highlands 

10th. Richardson 

Good luck to everyone competing here next weekend!