Duncanville Marching Invitational (October 26)

[bandfan102]

2 minutes ago, Wannabebluecoat said:

yea im confused on practically everything about this scoring lol

 

100%. Half of this is flat out wrong, I simply can't believe it. The differences between prelims and finals are too much. It's too much. 

[Wannabebluecoat]

5 minutes ago, bandfan102 said:

Content and achievement.

so would content be kinda like ge? cuz i dont understand how a band can get like 6 on achievement but then 12 on content cuz high achievement has to equal good content.

[bandfan102]

1 minute ago, Wannabebluecoat said:

so would content be kinda like ge? cuz i dont understand how a band can get like 6 on achievement but then 12 on content cuz high achievement has to equal good content.

Not sure. 

[Wannabebluecoat]

what the heck😂

[Tubalord11]

1 minute ago, Wannabebluecoat said:

yea im confused on practically everything about this scoring lol

 

Don’t worry, I got you! So it’s the current 7 state judge system for 5A and 6A state contest. There’s the exact 7 judges there as used in this comp in terms of the captions (music ensemble, brass, woodwinds and percussion, visual individual, ensemble, and content and design(which is UIL Ge)).  Each have sub captions which are the content and achievement, with content being variety in difficulty, dynamics, style, all that stuff musically and visually how challenging, variety in body work/visuals, ect. And then of course Achievement is how well was the the captions executed. And then content and design is as said UIL GE. Hope this helps!!
 

 

 

[Wannabebluecoat]

1 minute ago, Tubalord11 said:

Don’t worry, I got you! So it’s the current 7 state judge system for 5A and 6A state contest. There’s the exact 7 judges there as used in this comp in terms of the captions (music ensemble, brass, woodwinds and percussion, visual individual, ensemble, and content and design(which is UIL Ge)).  Each have sub captions which are the content and achievement, with content being variety in difficulty, dynamics, style, all that stuff musically and visually how challenging, variety in body work/visuals, ect. And then of course Achievement is how well was the the captions executed. And then content and design is as said UIL GE. Hope this helps!!
 

 

 

then how does a band do terrible in content but then good in achievement?

 

[Tubalord11]

Just now, Wannabebluecoat said:

then how does a band do terrible in content but then good in achievement?

 

So it could be let’s say there’s a woodwind feature that is very characteristic, but a lot of missed notes or notice difference in tone from each member or hearing more of one section, let’s say the saxes more than everyone else.

[Wannabebluecoat]

Just now, Tubalord11 said:

So it could be let’s say there’s a woodwind feature that is very characteristic, but a lot of missed notes or notice difference in tone from each member or hearing more of one section, let’s say the saxes more than everyone else.

so the content would be the characteristics and the achievements would be the missed notes and what not?

[Tubalord11]

1 minute ago, Wannabebluecoat said:

so the content would be the characteristics and the achievements would be the missed notes and what not?

Exactly. If you’ve got a WE feature that’s got a ton of 16th and 32nd licks and it’s clear to the judges that it’s hard, you’ll get content points. And if you play all the right notes and each instrument is balanced, you’ll get achievement points for executing well. 

[Wannabebluecoat]

1 minute ago, Tubalord11 said:

Exactly. If you’ve got a WE feature that’s got a ton of 16th and 32nd licks and it’s clear to the judges that it’s hard, you’ll get content points. And if you play all the right notes and each instrument is balanced, you’ll get achievement points for executing well. 

wait so if a band was jus completely dirty but the judges could tell they had sum hard stuff they would score better in content? i donttttt know if i like this format 😂😂

[Tubalord11]

4 minutes ago, Wannabebluecoat said:

wait so if a band was jus completely dirty but the judges could tell they had sum hard stuff they would score better in content? i donttttt know if i like this format 😂😂

Kind of, not a 100% sure. I don’t know what the specific sheets look like, just an general basis of how the sub-captions work..ish, but you do get rewarded, at least id imagine so, content points if it’s cleaner bc then its better presented? Its a lot more then just difficulty though, that I do know.

 

[Wannabebluecoat]

Just now, Tubalord11 said:

Kind of, not a 100% sure. I don’t know what the specific sheets look like, just an general basis of how the sub-captions work..ish, but you do get rewarded, at least id imagine so, content points if it’s cleaner bc then its better presented? Its a lot more then just difficulty though, that I do know.

 

thx for explaining i get the itty bitties of it now. i still dont see how some bands can have some pretty techincal books and get high in achievement but then bad in content even with having technical books though

[JFNDOWBFAN]

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Work hard this week, everyone! You leave the door open and the OWB is going to march right through it  ⚔️🛡️🐝

 

[NotMyForte]

14 hours ago, Dottie_Minerva said:

Finals performance

we are an up and coming program. A 6A band in a super competitive area, our kids had a great time yesterday seeing what was possible and we have some real talent here. 💙 I’m so proud of the work they put in, I’d love to hear any feedback

As a Vandy alumn whose last year performing was 2019, it warms my heart to see another program do an amazing job performing the same show that was so special to me, you guys have a fantastic drumline and some power behind your winds! I can’t wait to see more! 🤩❤️

[some random]

these results aren’t making complete sense in my head.

for example, SLC 1st in visual ENS. were they good? of course they were! however, not too sure if they were on quite the level that hebron was. they were insane.

i also heard keller had some percussion/electronic issues in prelims, not sure if that would’ve warranted 11th in percussion though.

wylie's show, while very cool, makes me dizzy while looking at it, those uniforms are sick though! guess that makes in memorable, and i can totally see how they won GE prelims and were a close second in finals, great execution by them! and that COLORGUARD🤤🤤

waxahachie getting 8th in GE was a little shocking to see, although i wasn’t able to see their performance last night. i saw it a bit earlier in the season and i thought it was great!

overall, this contest was a huge success for multiple programs! wishing these bands well at their upcoming area contests this weekend (and for the rain to stay away!)

[1998-2018]

These Prelims scores and rankings don't make sense because they are not accurate. Apparently the Prelims issues* were not addressed before this information was released.

Several bands were affected and those Directors were notified that the initial recaps, placements, announcements and Finals performance order were incorrect. Unfortunately, the information was not widely disseminated and that continues to cause confusion. Until Duncanville decides to step up, acknowledge the errors, and provide corrected Prelims recap information, please don't waste time trying to analyze the erroneous Prelims information. It will just cause unnecessary frustration.

Perhaps a corrected* Prelims recap will still be made available at a later time.

*NOTE: Apparently errors were made as the initial Prelims recap rankings and announcements were not correct. Adjustments were made to the Finals performance order before Finals began. The adjustments reflected accurate Prelims placements. 

[JFNDOWBFAN]

6 hours ago, 1998-2018 said:

These Prelims scores and rankings don't make sense because they are not accurate. Apparently the Prelims issues* were not addressed before this information was released.

Several bands were affected and those Directors were notified that the initial recaps, placements, announcements and Finals performance order were incorrect. Unfortunately, the information was not widely disseminated and that continues to cause confusion. Until Duncanville decides to step up, acknowledge the errors, and provide corrected Prelims recap information, please don't waste time trying to analyze the erroneous Prelims information. It will just cause unnecessary frustration.

Perhaps a corrected* Prelims recap will still be made available at a later time.

*NOTE: Apparently errors were made as the initial Prelims recap rankings and announcements were not correct. Adjustments were made to the Finals performance order before Finals began. The adjustments reflected accurate Prelims placements. 

What were the mistakes and adjustments….

[seafoodbuffet]

7 hours ago, NotMyForte said:

As a Vandy alumn whose last year performing was 2019, it warms my heart to see another program do an amazing job performing the same show that was so special to me, you guys have a fantastic drumline and some power behind your winds! I can’t wait to see more! 🤩❤️

I dearly loved witnessing this show progress over the 2019 season and it definitely ranks amongst the greatest shows of all time. So awesome to see other bands have a chance to perform it.  I recognized it from the first licks of the percussion opener. What’s the title of this show for Weatherford? Is it also Aria, Queen of the Night?

[Baribone07]

On 10/26/2024 at 10:46 PM, Asaiah said:

If anyone filmed Hebron, send it my way please

 

On 10/26/2024 at 10:51 PM, slowbrass said:

Seconded 👀 or anyone else tbh

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[Bassmom84]

12 hours ago, bandfan102 said:

These are very weird.

The inconsistencies for some bands from prelims to finals really needs to be taken into question here. 


Rockwall got 11th in brass in prelims and 3rd in finals...? 
Lake Travis goes from 3rd in individual visual to 8th? 7th in ensemble to 4th..? Their music scores were also wildly variable too, probably because they went first in finals. 
Southlake carrol getting 1st in visual ensemble and 8th in individual?

These are just 3 of the standouts to me. It's just all quite odd and weird. I really don't know what to think of these recaps. 

I'm VERY new to all this!  So I have no idea how things are normally done.  Is it normal for the judges to switch up?  Judges in Prelims vs. finals judged different  categories, and 2 judges from prelims were not judges in finals, and 2 different judges were added.  It just seems that would cause great confusion and inconsistencies.

[Bassmom84]

I posted this in response to someone else comment, but would love if someone can help me out here.  I'm VERY new to all of this.  Is it normal practice for the judges to switch which categories they're judging from prelims to finals?  Or, for certain judges to be there for prelims, but not finals, and then add 2 judges for finals that did not judge for prelims?  Maybe it's the norm, but seems like it would cause great confusion and inconsistency with how each judge has a different opinion.

[slowbrass]

They’re definitely doing justice to rocky point, just a little more work around the margins and they’ll be in a great spot. Really fortunate for them that this season is a week longer than usual. Watching the area results come rolling in this weekend is gonna be quite telling. Personally, I’m really giving Marcus a lot of credit based on what bentonville did this past Saturday.

[Tubalord11]

9 minutes ago, Bassmom84 said:

I posted this in response to someone else comment, but would love if someone can help me out here.  I'm VERY new to all of this.  Is it normal practice for the judges to switch which categories they're judging from prelims to finals?  Or, for certain judges to be there for prelims, but not finals, and then add 2 judges for finals that did not judge for prelims?  Maybe it's the norm, but seems like it would cause great confusion and inconsistency with how each judge has a different opinion.

Hello! So yes, they do tend to do this for a lot of comps. One of the main reasons for this is because it almost forces the bands to have two good or an even better run in finals compared to prelims. A lot of programs will between the two rounds listen to the judge's tapes, so they know specific things that could be better in finals. However, switching some or all of the judges, who are trained in all of the specific captions, do this so it's a completely different contest, in a sense, from prelims to finals. If let's say band X had an obvious mistake in a brass feature and the brass judge in prelims noticed it, it wouldn't be fair for that same judge to have another view on a cleaner run of the feature in finals, because they may feel obligated to give band X a higher brass score simply because it was cleaner that it was in prelims, which is not the goal. The goal is for the bands to be rewarded or penalized for how they did in the one specific run, so having the judges switch eliminates almost any reference for the judges to compare a bands prelims run to their finals run. That's why it's common, especially at Area, for bands to jump in placements from prelims to finals, because different judges catch things in finals, both good or bad, that the other judges for that caption didn't catch in prelims. Hope this helps 

 

[LKendrick]

13 minutes ago, Bassmom84 said:

I posted this in response to someone else comment, but would love if someone can help me out here.  I'm VERY new to all of this.  Is it normal practice for the judges to switch which categories they're judging from prelims to finals?  Or, for certain judges to be there for prelims, but not finals, and then add 2 judges for finals that did not judge for prelims?  Maybe it's the norm, but seems like it would cause great confusion and inconsistency with how each judge has a different opinion.

Very common. Different judges see and hear different things and bring their own personal experience and expertise to the table.  I personally love getting as many eyes and ears on each caption as possible. 

[Dallas Hobbs]

58 minutes ago, Baribone07 said:

 

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