Duncanville Marching Invitational (October 26)

[Tubalord11]

9 minutes ago, Bassmom84 said:

I posted this in response to someone else comment, but would love if someone can help me out here.  I'm VERY new to all of this.  Is it normal practice for the judges to switch which categories they're judging from prelims to finals?  Or, for certain judges to be there for prelims, but not finals, and then add 2 judges for finals that did not judge for prelims?  Maybe it's the norm, but seems like it would cause great confusion and inconsistency with how each judge has a different opinion.

Hello! So yes, they do tend to do this for a lot of comps. One of the main reasons for this is because it almost forces the bands to have two good or an even better run in finals compared to prelims. A lot of programs will between the two rounds listen to the judge's tapes, so they know specific things that could be better in finals. However, switching some or all of the judges, who are trained in all of the specific captions, do this so it's a completely different contest, in a sense, from prelims to finals. If let's say band X had an obvious mistake in a brass feature and the brass judge in prelims noticed it, it wouldn't be fair for that same judge to have another view on a cleaner run of the feature in finals, because they may feel obligated to give band X a higher brass score simply because it was cleaner that it was in prelims, which is not the goal. The goal is for the bands to be rewarded or penalized for how they did in the one specific run, so having the judges switch eliminates almost any reference for the judges to compare a bands prelims run to their finals run. That's why it's common, especially at Area, for bands to jump in placements from prelims to finals, because different judges catch things in finals, both good or bad, that the other judges for that caption didn't catch in prelims. Hope this helps 

 

[LKendrick]

13 minutes ago, Bassmom84 said:

I posted this in response to someone else comment, but would love if someone can help me out here.  I'm VERY new to all of this.  Is it normal practice for the judges to switch which categories they're judging from prelims to finals?  Or, for certain judges to be there for prelims, but not finals, and then add 2 judges for finals that did not judge for prelims?  Maybe it's the norm, but seems like it would cause great confusion and inconsistency with how each judge has a different opinion.

Very common. Different judges see and hear different things and bring their own personal experience and expertise to the table.  I personally love getting as many eyes and ears on each caption as possible. 

[Dallas Hobbs]

58 minutes ago, Baribone07 said:

 

https://youtu.be/cCCNaSbc-4Y?si=LW4E5EcUtQHniR7R peep the cookie recipe 

“Hebrew Jewish cookies” is insane 😭😭😭

[Tubalord11]

58 minutes ago, Baribone07 said:

 

https://youtu.be/cCCNaSbc-4Y?si=LW4E5EcUtQHniR7R peep the cookie recipe 

OH, MY LORD!!! Vandy better watch out because Hebron is coming in HOT!! We'll see how they two compare before at state at SA but I fully expect Hebron to win music there and definitely top 3 at state, if not first, but my goodness they are sounds SO CLEAN! I think because it's a "Little Easier (still very challenging!!), then 22 and 23, they really are able to have a cleaner presence overall which I think will do them good in the long run, but gosh I love this show so much, WOW!!

[Baribone07]

24 minutes ago, Dallas Hobbs said:

“Hebrew Jewish cookies” is insane 😭😭😭

it's a joke from our band bc at a competition hebron wasn't even at a kid shouted "WE CAN BEAT HEBREW!!"

[BoneGuy4]

The amount of people saying “these results are wrong” are crazy to me. Like the judges are the judges. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with what they have and yes some things don’t make any sense. Rockwall got 13th in musical ensamble but 3rd and 4th In brass and WW. You can be mad at all these results but you can’t change what these judges put so you can’t say that these results are “wrong”.

[Tubalord11]

1 hour ago, BoneGuy4 said:

The amount of people saying “these results are wrong” are crazy to me. Like the judges are the judges. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with what they have and yes some things don’t make any sense. Rockwall got 13th in musical ensamble but 3rd and 4th In brass and WW. You can be mad at all these results but you can’t change what these judges put so you can’t say that these results are “wrong”.

Yeah they’ve been using the 7 judge system since 21 so I don’t understand all the confusion unless they’ve never seen the state scoring before 🤷‍♂️ 

[Baribone07]

which one of yall snitched and got it taken down

[Bassmom84]

3 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:

Hello! So yes, they do tend to do this for a lot of comps. One of the main reasons for this is because it almost forces the bands to have two good or an even better run in finals compared to prelims. A lot of programs will between the two rounds listen to the judge's tapes, so they know specific things that could be better in finals. However, switching some or all of the judges, who are trained in all of the specific captions, do this so it's a completely different contest, in a sense, from prelims to finals. If let's say band X had an obvious mistake in a brass feature and the brass judge in prelims noticed it, it wouldn't be fair for that same judge to have another view on a cleaner run of the feature in finals, because they may feel obligated to give band X a higher brass score simply because it was cleaner that it was in prelims, which is not the goal. The goal is for the bands to be rewarded or penalized for how they did in the one specific run, so having the judges switch eliminates almost any reference for the judges to compare a bands prelims run to their finals run. That's why it's common, especially at Area, for bands to jump in placements from prelims to finals, because different judges catch things in finals, both good or bad, that the other judges for that caption didn't catch in prelims. Hope this helps 

 

Yes, that does help!  Thank you for taking the time to help me understand a little getter:)

 

[Bassmom84]

3 hours ago, LKendrick said:

Very common. Different judges see and hear different things and bring their own personal experience and expertise to the table.  I personally love getting as many eyes and ears on each caption as possible. 

Makes sense. I completely agree.  I would absolutely want as many eyes and ears as possible.  I'm learning all the things.  lol  

[Tubalord11]

3 minutes ago, Bassmom84 said:

Yes, that does help!  Thank you for taking the time to help me understand a little getter:)

 

Ofc! Obviously no system is perfect and each judge does have personal opinions on things but at the end of the day, they’re the judges, and we couldn’t have these comps without their hard work and commitment to helping each band improve!! 

[JazzRun]

Anyone get a finals video of Wylie you can send me? 🙏🏽 Bonus if it includes the sax soloist where you can actually see him at the end. I promise I’m not a creeper- the soloist is my son, and my husband wasn’t able to see the finals run from the front. 

[LostChoirGuy]

I've been dying to see a video of Keller all year.  Anyone willing to share one with me?

[Tubalord11]

2 minutes ago, LostChoirGuy said:

I've been dying to see a video of Keller all year.  Anyone willing to share one with me?

 

Here's the finals run from last weekend at Birdville! Couldn't find anything from this comp but will be on the lookout! 

[LostChoirGuy]

8 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

 

Here's the finals run from last weekend at Birdville! Couldn't find anything from this comp but will be on the lookout! 

Thank you so much!!

[Asaiah]

1 hour ago, Baribone07 said:

which one of yall snitched and got it taken down

I already got it downloaded (lol), hold on lemme upload it to google drive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IRHvZHW8eRnrCxU-Of31oat1dJxwOZp0/view?usp=drivesdk

[John Smith]

7 hours ago, LostChoirGuy said:

Thank you so much!!

Fyi: this was early October, you HAVE to see the rest of the closer and all the new tweaks they did to the already existing parts. 

[Billpop0202]

what are y'all's opinions on waxahachie and duncanville show

 

[Dottie_Minerva]

On 10/28/2024 at 12:01 AM, NotMyForte said:

As a Vandy alumn whose last year performing was 2019, it warms my heart to see another program do an amazing job performing the same show that was so special to me, you guys have a fantastic drumline and some power behind your winds! I can’t wait to see more! 🤩❤️

This comment means a lot to me (band mom) and my kiddo (lead trumpet) thank you so much. Wish us luck Saturday at Area B- if it doesn’t get rained out. 💙💙💙

On 10/28/2024 at 8:04 AM, seafoodbuffet said:

I dearly loved witnessing this show progress over the 2019 season and it definitely ranks amongst the greatest shows of all time. So awesome to see other bands have a chance to perform it.  I recognized it from the first licks of the percussion opener. What’s the title of this show for Weatherford? Is it also Aria, Queen of the Night?

It’s a BEAUTIFUL show and I am so sad we are about to say goodbye to it in just a few short weeks already. Our show is called “Requiem: among the stars.” I’m so so proud of these kids and how far they’ve come 💙💙💙

[1998-2018]

On 10/28/2024 at 1:43 PM, BoneGuy4 said:

The amount of people saying “these results are wrong” are crazy to me. Like the judges are the judges. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with what they have and yes some things don’t make any sense. Rockwall got 13th in musical ensamble but 3rd and 4th In brass and WW. You can be mad at all these results but you can’t change what these judges put so you can’t say that these results are “wrong”.

I'd like to apologize. It seems my previous post has added to the confusion rather than helping. This seems to be in part due to my use of language being less careful than normal. As a consequence my intent was misinterpreted by some. Please let me try again.

I've been actively involved with band competitions for nearly 30 years. I don't always agree with judges, but I gave up worrying about that many years ago. If results are your primary priority, it can suck all the pleasure out of this activity. Disappointment will be your most likely companion. My long-term mentor on this issue is the person who was tasked with overseeing the fairly recent overhaul of the UIL SMBC rules and those results were used for judging this contest. So, I understand the intent of the rules, as well as the somewhat subjective nature of the process. 

Nothing I said was intended to mean the judges were "wrong". I was originally referring to possible data entry errors. The first information I saw was apparently incorrect and did not accurately reflect the scores judges had awarded. That's very different than saying the judges were the ones who were incorrect. 

[Oli]

On 10/24/2024 at 9:37 PM, CosmicLimbo said:

Makes sense. Probably driving back early so they don’t get back super later. Anyone from Travis have any insight?

We didnt stay around because we had a Midwest Concert at 1:45 the next day.