UIL 6A Area H 2024

[Bands4eva]

10th Sandra Day O’Connor

9th Sonya Sotomayor

8th John Paul Stevens

7th Steele

6th William H Taft

5th Brandeis

Top 4 Advancing to Finals:

4th Lake Travis

3rd Westlake

2nd Vista Ridge

1st Vandegrift

[Ruprecht88]

Man, Vista Ridge was darn close to 1st

[FEDude]

Not going to interact with the bitter troll. Instead going to celebrate the bands.

NISD was 1/2 of finals. I don't think that's the record, but it is awesome.

Nobody super unexpected made it to finals. That being said, congratulations to Sotomayor for making it to finals for the first time. It's an amazing achievement, especially for such a new school.

O'Connor is back in finals! And Stevens and Taft (that was a close one in prelims) did amazingly as well!

Now Brandeis. Everyone knew it was a long shot this year, despite the gorgeous and clean show. They were actually quite close to being in 4th in prelims. In finals, Lake Travis and Westlake locked it in. It wasn't their year, and it must hurt to be the perpetual alternate. Still, y'all put on a great show, and y'all are the standard NISD looks up to.

At one point it was Marshall, then Taft for a while, then O'Connor. Now it's you guys that bring NISD pride by playing with the big names.

[Bigbustergod]

  On 11/3/2024 at 5:30 AM, clarineterrrr said:

haha i'm right again

so much for "deserving to make it to state" @rouseglazer1

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Brandies deserves it a lot this season they threw down in that performance and you can sit all you want and continue to whine and cry about how some kid like 3 years ago hurt your feelings, but what they did out there deserve so much praise and clowning on them for not making it is awful thing to do. Next year they will be back even better.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/3/2024 at 5:46 AM, Ruprecht88 said:

Man, Vista Ridge was darn close to 1st

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Yeah, there were some very narrow margins there.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/3/2024 at 5:58 AM, Bigbustergod said:

Brandies deserves it a lot this season they threw down in that performance and you can sit all you want and continue to whine and cry about how some kid like 3 years ago hurt your feelings, but what they did out there deserve so much praise and clowning on them for not making it is awful thing to do. Next year they will be back even better.

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Brandeis was fantastic tonight. I truly enjoyed their show.

[rouseglazer1]

  On 11/3/2024 at 5:46 AM, Ruprecht88 said:

Man, Vista Ridge was darn close to 1st

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havent looked at the ordinals but so deserved. im no uil judge or anything but their show this year is just so beautiful (1st in my heart)

[Ruprecht88]

  On 11/3/2024 at 6:17 AM, Samuel Culper said:

Brandeis was fantastic tonight. I truly enjoyed their show.

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I would not have been shocked if they had finished 4th

[rouseglazer1]

  On 11/3/2024 at 6:18 AM, Ruprecht88 said:

I would not have been shocked if they had finished 4th

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i wish they could do some gerrymandering to where there can be 25+ bands in the area so all of them (the usual region 32 suspects + brandeis) can make it 🥲🥲

[seafoodbuffet]

One of the judges absolutely hated Vandy tonight. Not a Coldplay fan I guess. 😂😂

[FEDude]

So anyway, looking at prelims, I was a bit surprised to see Brennan, Harlan, and Del Rio quite low. I know bands have on and off years, but especially Del Rio surprised me.
 

Anyone there that day have any insights?

[LKendrick]

Good morning.  What did I say about behaving?  😅

We are working on some troll proof spray.  Let's see if it works.  

Congrats to all the bands!  And to the people discussing things in a civil way.  

[Tubalord11]

Congratulations to Vandy, Vista Ridge, Westlake and Lake Travis on advancing to state!! No big shockers here, gonna be really fun to see how these programs do at the SASR and state! Congratulations to everyone who competed here yesterday!! 

[gregorydf01]

Does anyone have a PDF or a link to the results with the scoring and not just the Ordinals (placement)?

 

[Roasas]

  On 11/3/2024 at 3:20 PM, FEDude said:

So anyway, looking at prelims, I was a bit surprised to see Brennan, Harlan, and Del Rio quite low. I know bands have on and off years, but especially Del Rio surprised me.
 

Anyone there that day have any insights?

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Del Rio went on right after Vista Ridge (the champion). It probably warped the judges' minds to think Del Rio was worse than they were. I called it the moment that the schedule came out. I thought (man that's the worst spot to perform). 

It's like singing at karaoke. You never want to go after the girl who auditioned for American Idol. 

Believe it or not (unless you're the top 3), where you perform on the schedule DOES affect people. 

If I'm a judge, I'm not going to put the first band with super high marks, because I have yet to see the rest of the competition. Same with the last band, unless you're school name is Vandergriff, good luck getting high marks if you're the last band to perform. 

[Roasas]

  On 11/3/2024 at 6:29 PM, gregorydf01 said:

Does anyone have a PDF or a link to the results with the scoring and not just the Ordinals (placement)?

 

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https://www.smbc.uiltexas.org/area/results/files/area-24_6A Area H 2024.pdf

[gregorydf01]

  On 11/4/2024 at 2:29 PM, Roasas said:

https://www.smbc.uiltexas.org/area/results/files/area-24_6A Area H 2024.pdf

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Thanks for taking the time to send but that is the one that is public with the placement (ordinals) from each judge (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc).  They also have another one with numeric scoring from each judge up to I believe 1000 points possible by judge.  That is how they determine placement in the contest; each judge scores the bands throughout the contest and then when the contest is over they review the scores they gave and rank accordingly.   I was looking for the one with the raw scores.

[FEDude]

  On 11/4/2024 at 2:26 PM, Roasas said:

Del Rio went on right after Vista Ridge (the champion). It probably warped the judges' minds to think Del Rio was worse than they were. I called it the moment that the schedule came out. I thought (man that's the worst spot to perform). 

It's like singing at karaoke. You never want to go after the girl who auditioned for American Idol. 

Believe it or not (unless you're the top 3), where you perform on the schedule DOES affect people. 

If I'm a judge, I'm not going to put the first band with super high marks, because I have yet to see the rest of the competition. Same with the last band, unless you're school name is Vandergriff, good luck getting high marks if you're the last band to perform. 

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I don't want to argue, but I have to disagree with your thought process here. If judges are so unseasoned, they'd be willing to knock a band down just because of performance time close to a highly ranked band, they really wouldn't be judging for UIL.

I was hoping more for insight on how those 3 bands performances went, director changes, etc. I believe the Del Rio percussion director was a tech at my high school a few years ago, so I often see updates from him on Facebook. 

[Roasas]

  On 11/5/2024 at 2:12 AM, FEDude said:

I don't want to argue, but I have to disagree with your thought process here. If judges are so unseasoned, they'd be willing to knock a band down just because of performance time close to a highly ranked band, they really wouldn't be judging for UIL.

I was hoping more for insight on how those 3 bands performances went, director changes, etc. I believe the Del Rio percussion director was a tech at my high school a few years ago, so I often see updates from him on Facebook. 

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It happens all the time! Look back at statistics. Usually the sweet spot is performing after 60-70% of the bands have performed. 

Again, if a band performs at the beginning, more than likely they will not get high marks. That's because there is so much more competition to see (Well I can't rate them bad, because I don't know if there are worse bands. And I can't rate them high, because I'm not sure they are the best).
 

Now, IF, after all bands perform, the judges can go BACK and calibrate, then I'm with you that no bias is performed.

 

And come on now, we ALL have bias. To think that won't be the case, is ridiculous. 

 

Point being, whoever goes behind the champ, will get hosed (not purposely). 

[FEDude]

  On 11/13/2024 at 4:33 PM, Roasas said:

It happens all the time! Look back at statistics. Usually the sweet spot is performing after 60-70% of the bands have performed. 

Again, if a band performs at the beginning, more than likely they will not get high marks. That's because there is so much more competition to see (Well I can't rate them bad, because I don't know if there are worse bands. And I can't rate them high, because I'm not sure they are the best).
 

Now, IF, after all bands perform, the judges can go BACK and calibrate, then I'm with you that no bias is performed.

 

And come on now, we ALL have bias. To think that won't be the case, is ridiculous. 

 

Point being, whoever goes behind the champ, will get hosed (not purposely). 

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Is that not what UIL judges do though? This is just anecdotal, but one of my directors judged 2013 Area G 4A and said judges did go back and look at their notes from throughout the day so they can be less biased in their judging when they're making final decisions on scoring.

Even then, I agree with you mostly on early times affecting scoring. It's why the Hebron rule is a thing. It's performing after a high level band I'm not agreeing on so much.