UIL 4A State Marching Contest 2024 (Nov. 13)

[Sensei skittles]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:34 AM, bandnerd8 said:

You are all losers, yall be acting like the judges only judge on music. Sure Panther Creeks music is really hard but there drill is boring, Celina on the other hand had decently hard music and drill. Yall just be glazing every band other than Celina. You bozos need to get a life.

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Every band deserves to be praised and appreciated for their hard work and dedication. To put down bands this disrespectfully when all there has been is praise with a tiny bit of criticism is immature. Remember, band is all about working hard and having fun. To be a “band nerd” is to understand that marching band is built on positivity.

[sk1ee]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:39 AM, Sensei skittles said:

Every band deserves to be praised and appreciated for their hard work and dedication. To put down bands this disrespectfully when all there has been is praise with a tiny bit of criticism is immature. Remember, band is all about working hard and having fun. To be a “band nerd” is to understand that marching band is built on positivity.

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Well said. 

[sk1ee]

  On 11/14/2024 at 4:38 AM, Liam Allen said:

Clean and boring will always beat clean and ridiculously hard.  To be honest I almost think that they refuse to let that difficult of a show win because of what it would do to 4A.  The standard would be through the roof and most bands would be left in the dust.

Again just my opinion.  You can and probably will disagree.

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Also well said. I believe Panther Creek had such a difficult show and played it really well, not just their music but also their marching, I mean there was one point they were playing and jumping around, never seen a band push it to those limits.

[cheeto2401]

how is this scored? 

[GarbagePatchKid]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:53 AM, cheeto2401 said:

how is this scored? 

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It’s basically difficulty of the show as a whole. 
 

From UIL:

Visual reinforcement: How well the band uses visuals to support the music 

Suitability: How well the visual content matches the performers 

Movement: How often and how much the band moves 

Flow and pacing: How well the band constructs the show with regard to flow and pacing

[GarbagePatchKid]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:14 AM, Frost said:

Wait we tied panther creek in prelims and finals

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That’s an incredible accomplishment! Your show was truly mesmerizing. Excited to see what you do next year

[DumbBandLoser]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:19 AM, Bandnerd178 said:

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Hey, I'll stand by it, I think panther should've won.

[Atssbsax1]

To be honest Celina did not deserve that win whatsoever. Yes the kids work hard and have talent. Their brass sound is heavenly and so pure but so is Panther Creek's and their was waaaaay more demanding. It's frustrating that UIL can't move past the rigid shows and always rewarding those types of shows instead of the more fluid shows like Panther Creek. It's whatever but the best 4a band this year was Panther Creek by a long shot. The UIL is just to stubborn...

[GarbagePatchKid]

  On 11/14/2024 at 4:04 PM, Atssbsax1 said:

To be honest Celina did not deserve that win whatsoever. Yes the kids work hard and have talent. Their brass sound is heavenly and so pure but so is Panther Creek's and their was waaaaay more demanding. It's frustrating that UIL can't move past the rigid shows and always rewarding those types of shows instead of the more fluid shows like Panther Creek. It's whatever but the best 4a band this year was Panther Creek by a long shot. The UIL is just to stubborn...

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Since two different sets of judges basically came up with same set of scores I think some ideas of what “the best” is needs to change. I really thought Davenport had pulled out the win over Panther. That show was a visual feast! Much more so than Frisco. 

[frostt]

  On 11/14/2024 at 4:19 PM, GarbagePatchKid said:

Since two different sets of judges basically came up with same set of scores I think some ideas of what “the best” is needs to change. I really thought Davenport had pulled out the win over Panther. That show was a visual feast! Much more so than Frisco. 

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its cause there show had really clean marching but yeah I do agree that the uil rules need to be changed a little bit

[LKendrick]

  On 11/14/2024 at 4:04 PM, Atssbsax1 said:

To be honest Celina did not deserve that win whatsoever. Yes the kids work hard and have talent. Their brass sound is heavenly and so pure but so is Panther Creek's and their was waaaaay more demanding. It's frustrating that UIL can't move past the rigid shows and always rewarding those types of shows instead of the more fluid shows like Panther Creek. It's whatever but the best 4a band this year was Panther Creek by a long shot. The UIL is just to stubborn...

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14 judges over two rounds with incredible resumes and experience had them first in both rounds.  UIL isn't whispering in their ear to somehow magically align their numbers to make Celina win.  This panel thought overall that Celina was the best.  It's not that complex.  I saw them from field level.  INCREDIBLE sounds and phenomenal VP with an understated but cohesive product.  You may not necessarily like the story they were trying to tell with their show, but they communicated it masterfully.    

Panther Creek was incredible too.  And Davenport.  And everyone.  4A is deeper than ever. Our favorite show doesn't always win and that's okay.  We don't have the discredit the work of other bands to say we think someone else should have won. 

[Bclarinet83847]

  On 11/14/2024 at 2:53 AM, Liam Allen said:

Davenport - tasty euph solo here.  Great opening if not a little top-heavy.  Good woodwind feature.  Little fuzz in the trumpet double tonguing.  Incredible brass choir sound during the flugel solo.  Ah, the PR kick out.  Man there’s some clarinets.  Great woodwind ensemble sound.  Wow, what an ending!  An outstanding performance from 4A State finalist Davenport HS!

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Thank you! We had so much prep of letter e, I guess all the practice of the woodwind features payed off!

[Liam Allen]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:04 PM, Bclarinet83847 said:

Thank you! We had so much prep of letter e, I guess all the practice of the woodwind features payed off!

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Oh my god yes

[RaElk99]

Lumberton at 17 and Randall at 23 were the biggest shockers of the day to me.  

[J-Mike16]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:20 PM, RaElk99 said:

Lumberton at 17 and Randall at 23 were the biggest shockers of the day to me.  

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omg seeing Randall at 23rd on the results really did shock me!

[GarbagePatchKid]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:20 PM, RaElk99 said:

Lumberton at 17 and Randall at 23 were the biggest shockers of the day to me.  

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I honestly don’t know how the judges do it. I accurately picked the upper five-six and lower five-six but the middle was a jumble. 

[Sensei skittles]

Hello, to all the china spring players here! I caught your performance on YouTube and your ballad is so good. Like, whoever your music composers are, wow. And the way you guys played the piece too just sells it. Does anyone know the name of the song?

[Xx_FLOPTROPICACITIZEN_xX68]

Hello my fellow flops! I am extremely excited about all of the bands' performances, and the results that everyone got. Nagasaki Mitsubishi Okinawa Suki CHan Ducky Doo.

Eat a taki moss! And namaste!

Type "Yes" to affirm 2025 State Bound!

 

[Sensei skittles]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:51 PM, Xx_FLOPTROPICACITIZEN_xX68 said:

Hello my fellow flops! I am extremely excited about all of the bands' performances, and the results that everyone got. Nagasaki Mitsubishi Okinawa Suki CHan Ducky Doo.

Eat a taki moss! And namaste!

Type "Yes" to affirm 2025 State Bound!

 

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yes! 🍵

[Xx_FLOPTROPICACITIZEN_xX68]

Thank you Sensei Skittles! → 🇨🇳🧧🪭🏮🎎🎏🪆 ←

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[cheeto2401]

why are china spring band members saying that they hope celina crashes and burns and saying the whole contest was rigged? they got 5th and any band that placed below them would love to be in their spot

i never thought i would ever hear this come out of china spring, especially sinced they were my favorite show of the season

this is a true low for a state finalist band.

[LKendrick]

  On 11/14/2024 at 5:51 PM, Xx_FLOPTROPICACITIZEN_xX68 said:

Hello my fellow flops! I am extremely excited about all of the bands' performances, and the results that everyone got. Nagasaki Mitsubishi Okinawa Suki CHan Ducky Doo.

Eat a taki moss! And namaste!

Type "Yes" to affirm 2025 State Bound!

 

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Yes 🙌 

[Cloud902]

  On 11/14/2024 at 4:19 PM, GarbagePatchKid said:

Since two different sets of judges basically came up with same set of scores I think some ideas of what “the best” is needs to change. I really thought Davenport had pulled out the win over Panther. That show was a visual feast! Much more so than Frisco. 

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This is because they’ve been judging the same way for years. Clearly certain bands feed into what they knew the judges will score higher to win not to put on the best show 🤷🏼‍♀️

[utee94]

  On 11/14/2024 at 6:09 PM, Cloud902 said:

This is because they’ve been judging the same way for years. Clearly certain bands feed into what they knew the judges will score higher to win not to put on the best show 🤷🏼‍♀️

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The UIL scoresheets and metrics aren't secret, all directors have free access to them at the start of each season.  It's true that some bands do more than others to tailor their shows specifically to maximize scoring against those metrics-- that's simply what it takes to place well, and win, the competition.  If the goal is to win UIL competitions then that is the smart and correct thing to do.  I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised or upset about that?  

I feel like some people expect BOA-style scoring at UIL, and it's just not going to happen.  The BOA scoresheets are different, they reward some aspects of a show more than the UIL sheets do, and they reward some aspects less than the UIL sheets do. This is why we see things like Vandegrift placing 5th in BOASA finals, but 2nd at State.  It wasn't just that they had "better runs" at State, it's that their show and their style of play and marching is more aligned to the UIL metrics.  Some people prefer the BOA style scoring and some people prefer the UIL style scoring, but either way, the fact remains that they are different, and emphasize different aspects of a marching band and its show. 

And I don't agree that there's any such thing as "the best show."  That's entirely subjective and fans' opinions and judges' opinions will vary significantly on that.  There's not ever going to be a consensus and that's fine.

 

 

 

[Cloud902]

What I see on the scoresheet is a section of the show they judge with a ranking. Is there  more detailed version schools are given that gives them exactly what will get them ranked first? If not then everything is just subject to what ever the judges personally likes to see in shows. What I’m saying is the shows are catering to judges like or have liked in most recent years. I am new to marching band competitions, so I’m trying to make it make sense, but it doesn’t. I came into this expecting it to be like figure skating, you have to hit so many moves and your score goes up and down based on difficulty of moves. 
 

I’m not trying to discredit anyone’s placement, I think I’m more confused more than anything.