UIL 6A State Marching Contest 2024 (Nov 11-12)

[Iplaydadrum]

1 minute ago, BoaBetter said:

Hebron was robbed in 2022. Only reason they lost was because a judge didn't like their percussion.

 I mean that's what happens they rely off ordinals to score them. Percussion being worth 1/7 of the total score is pretty much the deciding factor on whether or not a group will get screwed or not. Although, the percussion scores looked pretty accurate this year and in 2022 so it's just unfortunate how they score in UIL. 

[BoaBetter]

Just now, Iplaydadrum said:

 I mean that's what happens they rely off ordinals to score them. Percussion being worth 1/7 of the total score is pretty much the deciding factor on whether or not a group will get screwed or not. Although, the percussion scores looked pretty accurate this year and in 2022 so it's just unfortunate how they score in UIL. 

outliers like that should be ignored a judge can have bias and cause a champion to lose that way like in that scenario

[Iplaydadrum]

1 minute ago, tubapop said:

So can someone explain if it was a tie why Hebron was crowned?

Judges preference. More judges preferred Hebron over Vandegrift (pretty sure this is right). In BOA the tie is determined by the GE score.

[RouseCasa]

2 minutes ago, BoaBetter said:

Hebron was robbed in 2022. Only reason they lost was because a judge didn't like their percussion.

Looks like they got 9th in percussion, so maybe not a “judge problem”? Also, isn’t that just the nature of judging? Kind of hard to get 1s across the board. Hebron is just so good overall that they made up for the low percussion ranking. Congrats to all the bands! Just the absolute best in high school marching band. 

[Tubalord11]

Just now, Iplaydadrum said:

Judges preference. More judges preferred Hebron over Vandegrift (pretty sure this is right). In BOA the tie is determined by the GE score.

Yeah you right, 5/7 judges had Hebron 1st so they win, 4/7 aka the majority is all that’s needed here for a tie to be broken 

[WanderingTraveler]

2 minutes ago, tubapop said:

So can someone explain if it was a tie why Hebron was crowned?

Its either judge preference or prelims placement I think.

[Iplaydadrum]

Just now, BoaBetter said:

outliers like that should be ignored a judge can have bias and cause a champion to lose that way like in that scenario

I mean I really wouldn't go as far as to call any biases as these kids all work hard and the judges are all people I'm familiar with and respect. It's just that the simple truth is that these ordinals reflect how competitive the percussion activity as a whole is in Texas. The top 4 in percussion don't really surprise me and Marcus winning percussion again isn't that surprising. 

[lost]

8 minutes ago, BoaBetter said:

outliers like that should be ignored a judge can have bias and cause a champion to lose that way like in that scenario

What a silly take. 

[lost]

7 minutes ago, WanderingTraveler said:

Its either judge preference or prelims placement I think.

UIL breaks ties off judge preference at all-levels.

[Frost]

It is there prelims performance that made them win in prelims Vandegrift had the same score but in prelims Hebron had a score of 16 

[Band1234556]

Anybody have a full recap

[josephm15]

Been lurking for a while but we should absolutely stop underestimating Vista Ridge. I think this is the 4th time since 2018 that they place 4th/5th at BOA Austin, get predicted in the 8th - 11th range, and then end the season top 5. Vista is an elite program that is always forgotten but are honestly the best at late blooming.

[FaultLineBlues]

Glad the percussion scores are better in finals after being a little wacky in prelims imo

[itsstephenyo]

5 minutes ago, Frost said:

It is there prelims performance that made them win in prelims Vandegrift had the same score but in prelims Hebron had a score of 16 

Sorry but that's just not correct. Hebron received 3 1st places in the ordinals and won 4/7 of the judges head to head against Vandegrift 

[Band1234556]

3 minutes ago, FaultLineBlues said:

Glad the percussion scores are better in finals after being a little wacky in prelims imo

I agree, cedar ridge 2nd might be a little bit too far but other then that and Hebron I like where everybody is at, one thing I would like to see in the future is a front ensemble be battery score because there are some judges which just look at battery and that’s not really a percussion score

[Band2021]

....Cedar Ridge's percussion score is one of the best scores given in this finals sheet. They have one of the best percussion programs in the country.

[Iplaydadrum]

8 minutes ago, Band1234556 said:

I agree, cedar ridge 2nd might be a little bit too far but other then that and Hebron I like where everybody is at, one thing I would like to see in the future is a front ensemble be battery score because there are some judges which just look at battery and that’s not really a percussion score

I'm pretty sure the judge is pretty much restricted to the sideline just like in DCI so they're actually judging the pit more than they are the battery. There should be two perc judges, but there's no way UIL would hire an additional judge just for that. Hebron in 9th is kinda pushing it, but Cedar Ridge in 2nd is too far? I thought the music they played this year was pretty difficult and clean, and their pit is usually pretty killer. 

[fluteatute]

8 minutes ago, Band1234556 said:

I agree, cedar ridge 2nd might be a little bit too far but other then that and Hebron I like where everybody is at, one thing I would like to see in the future is a front ensemble be battery score because there are some judges which just look at battery and that’s not really a percussion score

I'd argue judges focusing on pit is what helped CR placed so high. Their pit book is no joke and those kids play it well. Plus, CR took 1st in perc in 2022. Their percussion is consistently shown to be very talented. 

[slowbrass]

Two state titles in four years is crazy, congrats to Hebron. Super fun year for marching band in Texas. 

[justabandkid94]

For some fun UIL trivia: this is now the 3rd time Vandegrift has been involved in a first place finals tie-breaker

2015 5A Finals: Vandegrift & Cedar Park (CP Wins)

2022 6A Vandegrift & Hebron (Vandegrift win)

2024 6A Vandegrift & Hebron (Hebron win)

After digging I don’t think there have been any other instances of ties in the top classification, maybe even the top 2, since 2000. 

[TXBAND24]

19 hours ago, CosmicLimbo said:

Darn I really like Alexander’s show. Didn’t think they’d make finals or anything but wasn’t expecting last. Also a little surprised about Carroll, North Shore, Cypress Woods and all the Area C bands. I thought at least maybe Forney would be closer to that finals spot especially with their performance time. side tangent but as an alumni I’m a little bummed out about Dville at 32nd. I know scores aren’t everything but dang that one kinda stung a little bit. Regardless, that trumpet screamer and trombone duet is easily my favorite thing Dville has put on the field this decade and those kids should be super proud of the season and show they put on! I think all the right bands are in finals and just goes to show the level of depth here in Texas. And lastly big shoutout to Seven Lakes. Is this their first time in 6A finals? Someone feel free to correct me if it is or isn’t but huge congrats again to them regardless 👏🏽can’t wait to see what happens tomorrow!

Duncanville 32nd? What did the other area C bands place?

[Band1234556]

17 minutes ago, fluteatute said:

I'd argue judges focusing on pit is what helped CR placed so high. Their pit book is no joke and those kids play it well. Plus, CR took 1st in perc in 2022. Their percussion is consistently shown to be very talented. 

Trust me I know what cedar ridge Perc is like, Rick rod knows exactly how but when I was talking about front ensemble I meant by prelims, I thought finals did a good job but there is just really no way to tell exactly what was the reason they were in second unless we see separate front and battery tapes, just my opinion though, cedar ridge is indeed very good at percussion. On the topic of percussion 2 percussion programs I would’ve liked to see and hope to see in the future are Westwood and McNeil. Both did very well in percussion at tmc and both are taught by directors who are currently teaching both wgi at rhythmic force and dci at blue stars and blue knights so lots of great stuff as far as percussion 

[drumline8]

53 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

HEBRON!!!! LETS GOOO🥳🥳🥳🥳

Gosh so close, don’t understand their percussion scores At all?? 7/14 on preds (I’m sorry Coppell 😭😭), but wow what a night, congratulations to everyone, and thank you all for your hard work and dedication to this activity, it’s been amazing watching y’all’s shows come to life!!! 

I can see why they got their percussion scores. At area, marcus prosper and flomo beat them in percussion (in order), and that kinda reflects here with these scores.

[Dallas Hobbs]

Does anyone have a prelims score sheet? The results are not yet updated on the smbc.uiltexas.org site for me

[sb2024]

10 hours ago, TrenBS said:

For anyone who has the sheets, I think UIL has to discuss alignment changes to area J, cause in regards to average placements they are a horrendous outlier compared to every other area including area H and B who even a few years ago H was definitely better overall but didnt have this level of top heaviness with their groups

 

Im getting to the point to where I wouldnt mind moving LISD to area C and make that one 5 slots to state and have J be 3 slots to state, and if you can see the sheets you would really understand why

So because your favorite band couldn't compete in Area J, they should be moved to another area, like Area C?  Makes sense for you, I guess.