UIL 6A State Marching Contest 2024 (Nov 11-12)

[Oboeish20]

14 minutes ago, WhoWouldKnow said:

I honestly wouldn't put it past the Woodlands, Pearland, or Flomo to take the first-place spot this year. Vandy and Hebron are definitely the favorites, though. Flomo only needed one more 1 to beat Hebron in Area J finals, and I could see them making a run for first or second place this year.

Maybe not Pearland, they were inches away from being beat at area. 1 ordinal point away...

[Nny14]

49 minutes ago, seafoodbuffet said:

I don’t this applies anymore in state finals because state uses the seven judge system.

Oh right that was the old system. Thank you 

[Nny14]

28 minutes ago, Oboeish20 said:

Maybe not Pearland, they were inches away from being beat at area. 1 ordinal point away...

I'd be pretty skeptical about The Woodlands placing that well too. Amazing band, their track record in BOA speaks for itself, but historically they don't do quite as well at State.

[Fishy506]

Ranking (please don’t flame):

 

1. Hebron

2. Vandegrift

3. The Woodlands

4. Flower Mound

5. Marcus

6. Vista Ridge

7. Coppell

[seafoodbuffet]

5 hours ago, Geekerho said:

I do see flomo being the only band in the way of a vandy 3peat. Apparently they tied with Hebron in prelims and finals (based on raw score) at area. Area judging is 85% music/visual, 15% content design while judging at state is  50% music/visual, 50% content/design. And their show is purely content/design based (if you haven’t seen it, the band posted it on their YouTube). And with the new addition of colorguard being its own caption, flomo will easily take that as well since they are one of the only two world class guards in Texas (woodlands). That guard caption might tank vandy’s guard score since they were a dance group until this year. No doubt they will beat Hebron at state and very easily can win it all.

I’m so confused by your post.

State is definitely not 50/50 music/visual and content/design. It’s a seven judge system across woodwinds, brass, ensemble music, percussion, visual individual, visual ensemble, and content/design captions. There is no colorguard caption.

As for placements, I have no doubt that several bands CAN win it all (I think there’s realistically about 5 to 6 programs you could put in any order at the top). Who WILL win comes down to performance on the day.

[rouseglazer1]

yall in the predictions dont count out cedar ridge they’re coming back HOT after an off year..

[Tubalord11]

9 hours ago, Geekerho said:

I do see flomo being the only band in the way of a vandy 3peat. Apparently they tied with Hebron in prelims and finals (based on raw score) at area. Area judging is 85% music/visual, 15% content design while judging at state is  50% music/visual, 50% content/design. And their show is purely content/design based (if you haven’t seen it, the band posted it on their YouTube). And with the new addition of colorguard being its own caption, flomo will easily take that as well since they are one of the only two world class guards in Texas (woodlands). That guard caption might tank vandy’s guard score since they were a dance group until this year. No doubt they will beat Hebron at state and very easily can win it all.

Hey there! Just wanted to inform you about so wrong information on your post. Area doesn't take into account content and design. It's 3 music judges (60% of the overall score), and 2 visual judges (40% of the overall score). Yes, they do have the raw score sheets, but those don't really matter as much scoring wise as the rankings from each band, as that in the end is what determines placement. For state, there's 1, no color guard caption and 2, scored, just like area, with the ranking of the bands determining placement (an example being a band gets first with a total score of 7 at state bc they got 1st from all 7 judges). Not trying to be rude, just don't want false information being spread

[band007]

6 hours ago, seafoodbuffet said:

I’m so confused by your post.

State is definitely not 50/50 music/visual and content/design. It’s a seven judge system across woodwinds, brass, ensemble music, percussion, visual individual, visual ensemble, and content/design captions. There is no colorguard caption.

As for placements, I have no doubt that several bands CAN win it all (I think there’s realistically about 5 to 6 programs you could put in any order at the top). Who WILL win comes down to performance on the day.

What they are saying is that in each individual caption, content is worth 50% and achievement is worth 50% at state. So let’s say within the brass category, half of it is based on what they are playing, the other half on how they are achieving it. At area, each music or visual judge is basing their raw score 85% on achievement and 15% on content. A little misunderstanding in the wording

[mussheet]

predictions 

1-vandegrift

2-hebron

3-flomo

4-vista ridge

5-the woodlands

6-marcus

7-pearland

8-ronald reagan

9-cedar ridge

10-coppell

11-bridgeland

12-round rock

13-dripping springs

14-ctj

[tubapop]

2 hours ago, Tubalord11 said:

Hey there! Just wanted to inform you about so wrong information on your post. Area doesn't take into account content and design. It's 3 music judges (60% of the overall score), and 2 visual judges (40% of the overall score). Yes, they do have the raw score sheets, but those don't really matter as much scoring wise as the rankings from each band, as that in the end is what determines placement. For state, there's 1, no color guard caption and 2, scored, just like area, with the ranking of the bands determining placement (an example being a band gets first with a total score of 7 at state bc they got 1st from all 7 judges). Not trying to be rude, just don't want false information being spread

I don't understand this. The raw score sheets specifically include content as part of the score. Maybe it's not a huge part of the score, but it's right there on the page, as part of each and every caption. There is a score and there is an ordinal ranking next to it that gets factored into the final ranking for that caption, which gets factored into the overall ranking as a whole. So how can you say they don't matter as much as the rankings for each band, since they are what determines the rankings for each band?

[Asaiah]

This is another reason why Texas is better than Indiana: over on Hornrank forums they talk about "weather reports" and speak in code to discuss secret scores -- over here we just take pictures of secure documents and post them lol.

[band007]

3 minutes ago, tubapop said:

I don't understand this. The raw score sheets specifically include content as part of the score. Maybe it's not a huge part of the score, but it's right there on the page, as part of each and every caption. There is a score and there is an ordinal ranking next to it that gets factored into the final ranking for that caption, which gets factored into the overall ranking as a whole. So how can you say they don't matter as much as the rankings for each band, since they are what determines the rankings for each band?

Exactly, content is worth 150 out of the possible 1000 points from each judge, therefore it is worth 15% while the rest of the captions (brass, ww, perc, ens) are worth the rest of the 85% combined.

[tubapop]

27 minutes ago, band007 said:

Exactly, content is worth 150 out of the possible 1000 points from each judge, therefore it is worth 15% while the rest of the captions (brass, ww, perc, ens) are worth the rest of the 85% combined.

Yeah I followed what you were saying, I was confused about Tubalord's post

[trumpetsrock]

I guess everyone is forgetting that Marcus will be at the SMBC?

[Tubalord11]

2 hours ago, tubapop said:

I don't understand this. The raw score sheets specifically include content as part of the score. Maybe it's not a huge part of the score, but it's right there on the page, as part of each and every caption. There is a score and there is an ordinal ranking next to it that gets factored into the final ranking for that caption, which gets factored into the overall ranking as a whole. So how can you say they don't matter as much as the rankings for each band, since they are what determines the rankings for each band?

Okay sorry for causing any confusion. The content does matter in terms of the raw score which is used for the specific placement from each judge. The person I was trying to help had some weird wording and was just trying to clear some things up, mainly regarding state as content and design is its own caption at state. They’ve changed up the sheets so much since the pandemic, but yes content does matter for each caption, just not to the level the other person was saying it did, that’s all. 

[band007]

8 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

Okay sorry for causing any confusion. The content does matter in terms of the raw score which is used for the specific placement from each judge. The person I was trying to help had some weird wording and was just trying to clear some things up, mainly regarding state as content and design is its own caption at state. They’ve changed up the sheets so much since the pandemic, but yes content does matter for each caption, just not to the level the other person was saying it did, that’s all. 

All these different sheets and rules and regulations make it the most confusing thing ever

[Tubalord11]

3 minutes ago, band007 said:

All these different sheets and rules and regulations make it the most confusing thing ever

Yeah, I wish they had a site or something that explained it all, or would post the raw scores so we had somewhat of a better understanding of everything, but yeah sorry again if any confusion was caused, I’m still trying to understand it all myself 

[seafoodbuffet]

12 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

Yeah, I wish they had a site or something that explained it all, or would post the raw scores so we had somewhat of a better understanding of everything, but yeah sorry again if any confusion was caused, I’m still trying to understand it all myself 

If you really want to spend time reading

 here’s the 5-judge system (used at Area)

https://wwwprod.uiltexas.org/files/music/UIL_Area_Judge_Manual_(5-judge).pdf

Here’s the 7-judge system (used for state for 5A/6A)

https://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/UIL_5A-6A_State_Judge_Manual_(7-judge).pdf

 

[seafoodbuffet]

12 minutes ago, Tubalord11 said:

Yeah, I wish they had a site or something that explained it all, or would post the raw scores so we had somewhat of a better understanding of everything, but yeah sorry again if any confusion was caused, I’m still trying to understand it all myself 

If you really want to spend time reading

 here’s the 5-judge system (used at Area)

https://wwwprod.uiltexas.org/files/music/UIL_Area_Judge_Manual_(5-judge).pdf

Here’s the 7-judge system (used for state for 5A/6A)

https://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/UIL_5A-6A_State_Judge_Manual_(7-judge).pdf

 

[JFNDOWBFAN]

Knock knock knock

C is coming soon. Hehehe

[TheBandFan]

I will admit I haven’t seen all the shows from the top candidate bands that are the powerhouses. But knowing the show theme behind Flower Mound is such a cool story and makes the show feel powerful. You have to know that artist and her life and her struggle with fitting in, and some of the anxiety she has dealt with. Look up Yayoi Kusama. This show is like a living embodiment of her life. It’s pretty inspirational and changes the show if you know a bit about her.

the show…

It seems to start with harsh lines and black and white, harsher chords and tones and then soften into the middle ballad section. She had childhood trauma and struggled as a kid. All that gray and harsh lines seem to tell that story and bring it to life.
 

In the middle ballad section - to me this is when she discovers her art… her colorful meticulous way of painting and controlling the mind. This technique of dots gives her the almost OCD mind control to calm the anxiety. This show mimics that. Therapists will tell you the mind wants to control and create a safe world around it. So she created these dots… and it’s such a focused technique that the mind feels comfortable.  It’s pretty cool. You see those colorful flags Flower Mound brings up into the end of their middle part ballad. That’s her figuring this out.
 

Then all the sudden there’s color. The whole dang band changes color and into dots. It’s great. This burst of yellow.
 

then that third part of their show is all color, and optimism and bright victorious chords and coolness. It’s like a transformation from that artist that struggled so much and made something of herself. So much so now as a 90 year old woman she has people that turned her work into a brand, help her and manage her. She’s more content and her brand has gone super viral and popular. Her art is on a new LV bag! Haha. A bit of a stretch, but ok whatever.

 

I just think knowing that show story from how I have watched it at two competitions makes the whole show make sense. I went and read about the artist and it just clicked. That show itself is art and emotion and that’s what this is all about. If the band performance doesn’t move you… then why does perfect straight lines matter? What matters most? Perfect lines or your hair standing up on your neck and knowing the connection to a real person and real story… championing people with mental disorders and challenges. That’s meaningful. 
 

to me these bands are art and art isn’t perfect. I mean I know they have to be proficient and great at their drill and music. Yes. But somewhere there’s a line… where you let a tiny bit of that go and appreciate it as imperfect art. Art that moves and art that tells a brilliant story. And this is an underdog story with a cool ending that we are watching play out in real life with this woman’s story. 
 

I can’t wait to see the show again and hope to in person if I can get to one of their remaining comps. I wonder if the artist would ever see it. 

[TheBandFan]

Dang that was long, sorry 

[Axiviras]

22 hours ago, Oboeish20 said:

Maybe not Pearland, they were inches away from being beat at area. 1 ordinal point away...

To be fair, Dawson's show they put on the field at Area E was REALLY good! and things can always change from Area to State😉 

[Oboeish20]

15 minutes ago, Axiviras said:

To be fair, Dawson's show they put on the field at Area E was REALLY good! and things can always change from Area to State😉 

Hm maybe we should be on the lookout for a high placement from Dawson…

 

[band007]

1 hour ago, TheBandFan said:

to me these bands are art and art isn’t perfect. I mean I know they have to be proficient and great at their drill and music. Yes. But somewhere there’s a line… where you let a tiny bit of that go and appreciate it as imperfect art. Art that moves and art that tells a brilliant story. And this is an underdog story with a cool ending that we are watching play out in real life with this woman’s story. 

I believe the technical term for this is WabiSabi. It’s a Japanese term and refers to taking pleasure in impermanence and imperfection