2007 UIL State 4A Finals Results

[Xenon]

  silentwatch said:

I like the idea of throwing off 1-2 scores. I think, like in figure skating (which I mentioned before), it would be a more accurate evaluation of any band. However, to throw off one score out of 7 judges would create possible multiple ties. I'm assuming you're saying you throw out the score most off in each Music and Marching (thus ending up with 5 rankings counted out of 7). So, supposing someone got 5, 5, 4, 6 in Music and 5, 4, 6 in marching...how would you "throw off" a score from that?

Yes, one would be thrown out from each caption. In both captions in your example, 4 and 6 are equally "off" (these will always be the highest and lowest) and so both are thrown out and replaced by a single 5 which is exactly half way between them, thus giving 5,5,5 and 5,5 for a total of 25 rank points.

 

The general method (the above is an exception case) for choosing which score to throw out is as follows and can easily be done automatically in a spreadsheet:

 

JudgeX Distance from JudgeY = The absolute value of the difference in scores/ranks given by judges X and Y.

JudgeX Total Distance = Sum JudgeX's Distances from the other judges.

The Judge with the highest Total Distance is thrown out.

Exception: If there is a tie for the highest Total Distance, the highest and lowest scores shall be averaged.

 

Example1:

Assume the following ranks:

JudgeA = 3

JudgeB = 6

JudgeC = 7

JudgeD = 8

 

JudgeA Total Distance = abs(3 - 6) + abs(3 - 7) + abs(3 - 8) = 3 + 4 + 5 = 12

JudgeB Total Distance = abs(6 - 3) + abs(6 - 7) + abs(6 - 8) = 3 + 1 + 2 = 6

JudgeC Total Distance = abs(7 - 3) + abs(7 - 6) + abs(7 - 8) = 4 + 1 + 1 = 6

JudgeD Total Distance = abs(8 - 3) + abs(8 - 6) + abs(8 - 7) = 5 + 2 + 1 = 8

 

JudgeA has the largest distance of 12, and so is thrown out.

 

 

Example2 (Extreme Tie):

JudgeA = 2

JudgeB = 2

JudgeC = 8

JudgeD = 8

 

JudgeA Total Distance = abs(2 - 2) + abs(2 - 8) + abs(2 - 8) = 0 + 6 + 6 = 12

JudgeB Total Distance = abs(2 - 2) + abs(2 - 8) + abs(2 - 8) = 0 + 6 + 6 = 12

JudgeC Total Distance = abs(8 - 2) + abs(8 - 2) + abs(8 - 8) = 6 + 6 + 0 = 12

JudgeD Total Distance = abs(8 - 2) + abs(8 - 2) + abs(8 - 8) = 6 + 6 + 0 = 12

 

There is a tie for Highest Distance, therefore JudgeA (or is averaged with JudgeC (or D) to give resulting scores of 2, 5, 8 = 15 which is the same as if each judge had met half way to begin with at 5, 5, 5, 5.

[reyky]

band != complex math

[borchnork]

I really like band for quite a few reasons, like the music, the friends etc.

 

and also the fact that there is no math involved in it.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

i seriously disagree with Hendricksons placement. they were amazing and there music is much more challenging than connally's. they also marched a higher level of difficulty in there drill than connally

Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[Xenon]

  reyky said:

band != complex math

Music is one of the most mathematical of all the arts. Every chord and melody is based on Logarithmic and Exponential relationships.

[SerialSleeper90]

Dang and I thought I hated math... the asian stereotype strikes back!

[Xenon]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

i seriously disagree with Hendricksons placement. they were amazing and there music is much more challenging than connally's. they also marched a higher level of difficulty in there drill than connally

That is your opinion, but the judges didn't see it that way. I agree that Hendrickson had a more difficult show than Connally, but Connally was on fire during finals and performed their show with the utmost precision and emotion while many of the other bands that evening had issues that they didn't have in prelims. Difficulty doesn't always deserve to be placed above perfection and perfection doesn't always deserve to be placed above difficulty. Both must be weighed together, and with their Finals performance, I feel that Connally deserved the placement they got.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

i didnt get to see connally's performance in finals but i was in the tunnel for most of hendricksons. We also competed against connally all year and there is nothing about there show that was better than hendrickson. i understand that perfection out ways difficulty. but its not that hard to perfect london bridge is falling down. if im not mistaken we all learned that in 6th grade if not earlier. i dont agree with dumbing down your show just so you can get it clean enough to do well in state. take a chance. do something challenging. and as far as the issues go i know what you mean. our finals performance sounded tired to me.

Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[iceeblue2]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

i didnt get to see connally's performance in finals but i was in the tunnel for most of hendricksons. We also competed against connally all year and there is nothing about there show that was better than hendrickson. i understand that perfection out ways difficulty. but its not that hard to perfect london bridge is falling down. if im not mistaken we all learned that in 6th grade if not earlier. i dont agree with dumbing down your show just so you can get it clean enough to do well in state. take a chance. do something challenging. and as far as the issues go i know what you mean. our finals performance sounded tired to me.

 

 

 

you gotta be kidding!..... I haven't read anyone's opinions on this thread that reads as bitter as yours....hmmm..sounds like more to me.....

[silentwatch]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

i didnt get to see connally's performance in finals but i was in the tunnel for most of hendricksons. We also competed against connally all year and there is nothing about there show that was better than hendrickson. i understand that perfection out ways difficulty. but its not that hard to perfect london bridge is falling down. if im not mistaken we all learned that in 6th grade if not earlier. i dont agree with dumbing down your show just so you can get it clean enough to do well in state. take a chance. do something challenging. and as far as the issues go i know what you mean. our finals performance sounded tired to me.

Connally may have seemed to have an easier show, but it comes down to who executes the best in the end, not who has the most difficulty. I liked DS show the best, not because I'm biased either, but I don't think DS executed the best performance in finals. Let's show some class and congratulate Connally for a job well done. They represented Area D awesomely and I'm proud of them. No need to knock them. The judges liked them and thought they did well. The rest of us can just be proud we placed where we did because we started out as one of 230 bands and ended up in top 24. Let's all congratulate each other, not beat each other up.

 

And yeah, DS finals performance WAS tired. That's what happens when half the band decides it'd be more fun to run around screaming than sit and rest up for finals.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

ya props to connally for making it im just saying in my opinion that hendrickson did better. thats all im not bashing connally. there and amazing band. and they are a great representative of area d

Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[silentwatch]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

im not bitter i just think connally didnt deserve second and hendrickson did

But you didn't SEE Connally in finals. I've seen numerous posts agreeing that they were on fire at finals in comparison to prelims and there are at least 8 bands in finals that did worse in finals than in prelims.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

but i did see them all year. like i said there and amazing band and im not bashing them. i just think hendrickson deserved a higher placement

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

  Gracelyd33 said:

Connally deserved it..

They've been getting screwed for years..

and now its all added up and

they rocked finals..

I watched from the 3rd story on the 50..

 

it was amazing..

The forms were clean,

THe music was loud yet balanced.

 

It was their best show yet.

 

been screwed for years? they've been great since ive been in high school. two years ago they were in state finals as well they havent been screwed for years. just the way there show is made its designed to do well in the UIL judging format. thats why they dont always do great at other contests. probably why we beat them at westlake.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

ya true that. i had some ppl tell me that poteet shouldnt of been first that connally did play better than them. but with poteet there just so big. man everyone should come down to Dripping Springs and Dickinson size. see whats up.

Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[iceeblue2]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

but i did see them all year. like i said there and amazing band and im not bashing them. i just think hendrickson deserved a higher placement

 

 

 

Every band hopes to improve over the course of the marching season Connally just peaked when it counted more.

[iceeblue2]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

been screwed for years? they've been great since ive been in high school. two years ago they were in state finals as well they havent been screwed for years. just the way there show is made its designed to do well in the UIL judging format. thats why they dont always do great at other contests. probably why we beat them at westlake.

 

 

 

PS - Connally making semi-finals at Grand Nationals last year wasn't so bad either

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

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Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[iceeblue2]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

HAHAHAHAHA what a riot. sorry but no. in no stretch of the imagination did you beat us. not even vista ridge or aledo for that matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

CALLING ALL DRIPPING SPRINGS BAND MEMBERS!!!!!

 

........PLEASE round up your village idiot before he makes your program look bad ..I know most of you are cool out there...

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

iceeblue chill this a conversation between me and this person from Sherman. stats prove what i said previously. we beat them four straight times there was no disrespect its just fact. i might of not been as tactful as i should but its true.

[iceeblue2]

Sorry, but this is an open forum and I'll respond if I choose.

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

you know what. people look to much into things so im sry if anyone was insulted by my diction. it was not my intent to disrespect anyone.

Edited November 10, 2007 by Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs

[iceeblue2]

  Gracelyd33 said:

Okay some main points:

 

*I would perfer if icee was here..

I like him more than you*

 

 

Her

[Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs]

why cant we be friends? why cant we be friends? lol. so what school are you from iceeblue?

[Danpod]

  Dr1pp1ng Spr1ngs said:

iceeblue chill this a conversation between me and this person from Sherman. stats prove what i said previously. we beat them four straight times there was no disrespect its just fact. i might of not been as tactful as i should but its true.

 

If it's between you two and this is your "conversation", then take it to Personal Messages. Don't even think about exluding someone on a Public Forum.