Woodwinds in DCI?

[takigan]

Phantom 96 had some cool Trumpet runs near the beginning/middle of their show (after the big drum break)

[b_sax_agent]

Brass runs are cool, as long as the trumpet doesn't play the ending note above high C.

 

I LOATH High trumpet sounds more than anything.

 

It sounds annoying.

Edited August 24, 2008 by b_sax_agent

[whitewing09]

I likw high woodwind sounds and high ish low brass sounds

[treyj]

  b_sax_agent said:

Brass runs are cool, as long as the trumpet doesn't play the ending note above high C.

 

I LOATH High trumpet sounds more than anything.

 

It sounds annoying.

 

 

haha

high trumpet are my favorite.

 

piccolo trumpet anyonE?

[bluebellbrass07]

  b_sax_agent said:

Brass runs are cool, as long as the trumpet doesn't play the ending note above high C.

 

I LOATH High trumpet sounds more than anything.

 

It sounds annoying.

 

I'm sorry but if you don't like high trumpet sounds, what are you doing in the drum corps forums

[b_sax_agent]

I've heard drum corps that sounded great because they played in a reasonable range rather than some that sounded aweful because everything was above the staff.

 

Plus, I can comment where I like.

 

There was no wavier that said "You have to like high, strained trumpets noises in order to comment on this forum"

[treblemaker]

  bluebellbrass07 said:

I'm sorry but if you don't like high trumpet sounds, what are you doing in the drum corps forums

 

Whoa! I don't like high trumpet sounds either. I think it's disgusting when they play lets see how high I can go playing way past my best sound. I'm sorry but it just doesn't impress me. It's like guys who drive huge trucks. They are overcompensating for something they are lacking in the man department. The same applies for egotistical trumpets. I'm not saying all are like that. But still. Give me some meat please.

[treyj]

  lhsfluter said:

Whoa! I don't like high trumpet sounds either. I think it's disgusting when they play lets see how high I can go playing way past my best sound. I'm sorry but it just doesn't impress me. It's like guys who drive huge trucks. They are overcompensating for something they are lacking in the man department. The same applies for egotistical trumpets. I'm not saying all are like that. But still. Give me some meat please.

 

are you kidding me?

 

no one sounds like that in a professional drum corp.

not the ones who actually win competitions at least

[whitewing09]

  b_sax_agent said:

I've heard drum corps that sounded great because they played in a reasonable range rather than some that sounded aweful because everything was above the staff.

 

Plus, I can comment where I like.

 

There was no wavier that said "You have to like high, strained trumpets noises in order to comment on this forum"

 

 

lmfao that was funny!

 

 

Anyway I do agree that trumpets can sound pretty gross when they get up that high

[treblemaker]

  treyj said:

are you kidding me?

 

no one sounds like that in a professional drum corp.

not the ones who actually win competitions at least

 

No I'm not kidding. And I'm sure there are plenty of examples. But again that is only my opinion.

Edited August 25, 2008 by lhsfluter

[Danpod]

High trumpet sounds are one thing. High trumpet sounds that sound awful are another thing. Our brass buddy is simply saying that it's a little odd to hate all high brass sounds when the Drum Corps activity is naturally top heavy.

 

  lhsfluter said:

Whoa! I don't like high trumpet sounds either. I think it's disgusting when they play lets see how high I can go playing way past my best sound. I'm sorry but it just doesn't impress me. It's like guys who drive huge trucks. They are overcompensating for something they are lacking in the man department. The same applies for egotistical trumpets. I'm not saying all are like that. But still. Give me some meat please.

 

It's irrational to chalk up "high trumpet playing" as some sort of deep, psychological need to fill some void inside of the trumpet player. Maybe they like to play high because it's a challenge. Maybe they like to play high because it sounds cool to them. Eventually, you have to test the boundaries of the instrument and decide what works and what doesn't. Believe it or not, there are trumpet players out there that can control their high notes and fit perfectly in the chord. The antithesis of such an event is something we may not hear all too often but sometimes, I think we forget that people can do some great stuff with a piece of brass and some valves.

[Danpod]

  treyj said:

are you kidding me?

 

no one sounds like that in a professional drum corp.

not the ones who actually win competitions at least

 

Even the top tier corps in the activity have a few sopranos who like to play the hero every now and then. The brass in Drum Corps is by no means perfect but when I hear a nicely blended brass chord, it makes me melt.

[treyj]

  Danpod said:

Even the top tier corps in the activity have a few sopranos who like to play the hero every now and then. The brass in Drum Corps is by no means perfect but when I hear a nicely blended brass chord, it makes me melt.

 

 

by no means pefect.

but by no means an average high school marching band where a kid gets to hit that high note and paly as loud as he can sounding like POOP

[Xenon]

  treyj said:

are you kidding me?

 

no one sounds like that in a professional drum corp.

not the ones who actually win competitions at least

 

Listen to a certain high-ranking many-time-champion corps during retreat from this year. . .

[Danpod]

  Xenon said:

Listen to a certain high-ranking many-time-champion corps during retreat from this year. . .

 

Those extra notes after the cut-off were part of the Post-Show of America, The Beautiful.

[treblemaker]

  Quote

Listen to a certain high-ranking many-time-champion corps during retreat from this year. . .

 

THANK YOU! I was waiting for someone to point that out.

Edited August 25, 2008 by lhsfluter

[Danpod]

Can you tell that it's a State year? The extra stress has made us all irritable.

[b_sax_agent]

I'm sorry for the sarcastic comment I made.

 

I just hate it when I don't like something and I get kicked around for it.

Edited August 25, 2008 by b_sax_agent

[bluebellbrass07]

Calm down bud, just giving you a hard time. Most drum corps members find high trumpets to be a pretty big hype.

[b_sax_agent]

I know.

 

I'm just kinda angry that I have an opinion that is different from everyone elses and I get thrown around for it.

 

But I have calmed down.

 

Some high trumpet stuff is cool, I'll admit. But not all of it.

[HashBrownJM]

  lhsfluter said:

Well all I'm asking is for people to be more open minded and less stubborn. I listen to the other side and see their points. All I ask is the same back.

 

I do listen to your arguments, I just adamantly and vehemently disagree with your opinion, as I think other people in the non-woodwind club do.

[treblemaker]

I didn't realize there was a club... Maybe I'll make one for me to be in...

[Dontforgettobreathe]

  lhsfluter said:

Sure it's not that hard when you have no instrument basis. But here's the thing... I've played the flute going on 7 years now and in case you didn't know the mouth position is completely different. Not only that the lip movements are exactly opposites. I'm am learning to play the mellophone and it's been a struggle because of that. I want to act like I'm playing my flute not a mellophone. It just makes it that much harder to get. Add in that it will most likely effect my flute playing in a negative way and with this year being my senior year I kind of want to do good on my all state audition. This is one thing I think brass players take advantage of when they try out for DCI. You already have the upper hand on the playing ability and experience but I would say that a woodwind player will have a little more heart when they pick up their own knowing what they accomplished.

 

Also, your comment about woodwinds being softer than brass was kind of not necessary because that's pointing out the obvious.

 

It's a brass thing, it can't be explained. You are a woodwind player and it just seems unfair that brass players have this, but you can't do anything about it. I am a Euphonium player, and I love orchestral music, but I can't play it, because it is not an orchestral instrument. I will say though, I did have the opportunity to play the Planets symphony this summer, and when ever we played, I just felt out of place. The tone and everything just didn't feel like it fit into the orchestra, which is why the Euphonium is not in many orchestral pieces. (I'm drawing to draw a comparison to woodwinds in a Drum Corps). Imagine if Saxophones were a main voice of orchestra, it would not be the same.

 

 

All I can draw are comparisons (which some of them suck). If you've ever played something like Pines of Rome for band, you know that it does not compare to Pines of Rome for orchestra in the slightest bit. You can youtube both, listen for Langham's recording of the Wind Ensemble playing it, and then listen to a recording of Pines of Rome by an orchestra. Note the differences and tell me which you like better. I can draw more comparisons... but I think you get picture.

 

Now, learning a new instrument is a hard thing to do, but it can be done, it is not impossible. Just know this now, you will not pick an instrument that you have never played before and in a few months make the Blue Devils or Cavaliers (or any top corps for that matter), you have to march somewhere else first and may have to spend a few years there before you move up. I have a friend who his freshman year he played Alto Sax and was in the third band at my school. His Sophomore year we had a shortage of Bassoons at our school, so he decided to switch and made the top band at my school, kind of by default. But at the same time he picked up a Baritone in November and made the Troopers Drum and Bugle Corps having only played brass for two months, while still learning the Bassoon at the same time. I'm an All-State Euphonium player, and when my friend came back from the Troopers (so his total amount of time playing Baritone would be about 7 months), he rivaled me in playing and can actually blow way more air than I can. If he were to completely switch to Baritone and not go back to Bassoon, I am almost positive that he would ATLEAST make the All-Region band.

 

So although it may be hard learning your instrument now, if you spend a whole summer playing it, you will be fine and you will be glad you made the switch. And you will realize how BA brass is and regret ever posting this topic

 

Sorry for all the unneeded detail... but I hope it helps

Edited September 1, 2008 by Dontforgettobreathe

[treblemaker]

  Dontforgettobreathe said:

It's a brass thing, it can't be explained. You are a woodwind player and it just seems unfair that brass players have this, but you can't do anything about it. I am a Euphonium player, and I love orchestral music, but I can't play it, because it is not an orchestral instrument. I will say though, I did have the opportunity to play the Planets symphony this summer, and when ever we played, I just felt out of place. The tone and everything just didn't feel like it fit into the orchestra, which is why the Euphonium is not in many orchestral pieces. (I'm drawing to draw a comparison to woodwinds in a Drum Corps). Imagine if Saxophones were a main voice of orchestra, it would not be the same.

 

 

All I can draw are comparisons (which some of them suck). If you've ever played something like Pines of Rome for band, you know that it does not compare to Pines of Rome for orchestra in the slightest bit. You can youtube both, listen for Langham's recording of the Wind Ensemble playing it, and then listen to a recording of Pines of Rome by an orchestra. Note the differences and tell me which you like better. I can draw more comparisons... but I think you get picture.

 

Now, learning a new instrument is a hard thing to do, but it can be done, it is not impossible. Just know this now, you will not pick an instrument that you have never played before and in a few months make the Blue Devils or Cavaliers (or any top corps for that matter), you have to march somewhere else first and may have to spend a few years there before you move up. I have a friend who his freshman year he played Alto Sax and was in the third band at my school. His Sophomore year we had a shortage of Bassoons at our school, so he decided to switch and made the top band at my school, kind of by default. But at the same time he picked up a Baritone in November and made the Troopers Drum and Bugle Corps having only played brass for two months, while still learning the Bassoon at the same time. I'm an All-State Euphonium player, and when my friend came back from the Troopers (so his total amount of time playing Baritone would be about 7 months), he rivaled me in playing and can actually blow way more air than I can. If he were to completely switch to Baritone and not go back to Bassoon, I am almost positive that he would ATLEAST make the All-Region band.

 

So although it may be hard learning your instrument now, if you spend a whole summer playing it, you will be fine and you will be glad you made the switch. And you will realize how BA brass is and regret ever posting this topic

 

Sorry for all the unneeded detail... but I hope it helps

 

Your argument is very justified except for your first sentence. The attitude that people have when they say "you can't do anything about it" really just "grinds my gears"

[whitewing09]

With this being said... I still wanna play bassoon

Edited September 1, 2008 by whitewing09