2010 UIL State

[mellopwn1]

It happens

 

You'd never guess where I went to find the recaps for last year, either

 

  takigan said:

Y'know, I spend a lot of time memorizing scores and placements like this. But it seems that the more years pass and the more data goes into my head, the less sure I am of exact placements at a particular contest during a particular year....so I'm bound to mix up bands that were really close, as in this case. I thought I remembered the Woodlands placing 8th or 9th and I knew Bowie and Center Grove were beneath them, and since I couldn't remember exactly what place LC got, I just left it at that and figured they'd placed higher (I figured they'd placed 5th or 6th, since Marcus was 4th).

 

I really enjoy how simple Skramp's BOA History site makes pulling up scores, and I should really use it more often :/.

[mellopwn1]

If I recall correctly, SFA also flys. I remember this coming up on the MFA Forums and SFA was singled out for this

 

  sh32735 said:

Yeah but Churchill flys there, everyone else drives.

Edited November 10, 2010 by mellopwn1

[drummerjoe]

At Round Rock, we've started doing a cycle of contests that alternates every year. This past year was a UIL year, and this next year is going to be a BOA year. I dunno, but other schools might do it the same way, so you might see more Texas schools at BOA next year. And honestly, I dunno why we do it that way, we had the weekend of BOA SA off, and we're in off season now. And since our Boosters are one of the best in the area, we'd have adequate funding to attend GN if we wanted to. I guess our directors are scared

[award]

  sh32735 said:

Yeah but Churchill flys there, everyone else drives.

Marcus also flew there in 09. I heard rumors that Marcus may try to go to grand nationals every other year. Staring next year. But that is only a rumor.

[Xenon]

  sh32735 said:

Yeah but Churchill flys there, everyone else drives.

Nearly everyone flies. Bell is just about the only one that drives. Going every year, they pretty much have to.

 

The Sunday after BOA Grand Nationals, I am almost always flying back on a plane full of TX band kids and there are always flights before and after mine that are full of band kids too.

[drummerjoe]

  Xenon said:

Nearly everyone flies. Bell is just about the only one that drives. Going every year, they pretty much have to.

 

The Sunday after BOA Grand Nationals, I am almost always flying back on a plane full of TX band kids and there are always flights before and after mine that are full of band kids too.

 

Cedar Park drives.

[TxRaider13]

I think this was said on another forum, but this just makes me wish they would rotate GN host city every year

[NewMexicoBandsman]

Me too. But with Lucas Oil having been built with acoustics in mind, I doubt the locale will change anytime soon.

[kdnblue142]

  drummerjoe said:

Cedar Park drives.

OUCH!!! That's a very, loooong drive!!

Churchill did go over the option of driving vs. flying. We were told that the price difference wasn't much between the two (??)-it is an all-inclusive rate (flight, hotel, meals, etc-one single price all together-which was how the Hawaii trip was done-just made payments over time).

 

Is it a 'sin' to fly over driving? (last year I drove to California and this year I am flying. Flying is SO MUCH BETTER)

 

Oh and yes, the subject of having Grand Nats in other places, especially having it in Texas, was brought up last year. Texas bands would probably overwhelm GN over the other states' entries.

[TxRaider13]

  kdnblue142 said:

Oh and yes, the subject of having Grand Nats in other places, especially having it in Texas, was brought up last year. Texas bands would probably overwhelm GN over the other states' entries.

 

Well Texas would just be showing how real bands perform..Texas owns

[The Brass Messiah]

agreed... now what to do about that 8 hour rule

[bandbot4.0]

  The Brass Messiah said:

agreed... now what to do about that 8 hour rule

 

Make it 6 hours.

[The Brass Messiah]

lol there would be alot of happy kids and mad directors

[Steeldrum]

  NewMexicoBandsman said:

Me too. But with Lucas Oil having been built with acoustics in mind, I doubt the locale will change anytime soon.

 

Now that's just real funny! Go read through numerous posts on DCP about how good those acoustics are. I'll take Alamodome acoustics over Lucas anyday.

[Steeldrum]

  takigan said:

Don't forget the Cobb County school district nestled in the suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia. The cities of Marietta and Kennesaw might ring a bell. Harrison HS, Kennesaw Mountain HS and Lassiter HS are all in Cobb County ISD and are all former BOA Grand National Finalists. There are other schools in Georgia that have great band programs as well, and they help make the BOA Atlanta Super Regional a very strong one.

 

 

The Director of Music for Cobb County Schools is Gary Markham, one of the Chief Judges for many DCI events, and I believe he is/used to be very active judge for BOA. He has built that county school system into a major power. There are probably more good programs in Cobb County Georgia than most states other than Texas and Indiana. I attended one of the Cobb County Band Exhibitions last year and was very impressed with the quality of all of these bands. These programs include, in somewhat ranking order based on what I remember:

 

Lassiter

Kennesaw Mountain

Kell

Walton

Wheeler (one of the best HS drumlines)

Harrison

Pope

Sprayberry

McEachern

Hillgrove

North Cobb

 

There were also a couple of schools, don't remember which ones, that did a HBCU Show Style show, quite entertaining.

 

In all there are 17 high schools in Cobb County. Georgia generally has county wide school systems, and Cobb is a major suburb of Atlanta. Imagine if all the schools in Tarrant county were in the same district.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Steeldrum

[daldhowe]

  Steeldrum said:

The Director of Music for Cobb County Schools is Gary Markham, one of the Chief Judges for many DCI events, and I believe he is/used to be very active judge for BOA. He has built that county school system into a major power. There are probably more good programs in Cobb County Georgia than most states other than Texas and Indiana. I attended one of the Cobb County Band Exhibitions last year and was very impressed with the quality of all of these bands. These programs include, in somewhat ranking order based on what I remember:

 

Lassiter

Kennesaw Mountain

Kell

Walton

Wheeler (one of the best HS drumlines)

Harrison

Pope

Sprayberry

McEachern

Hillgrove

North Cobb

 

There were also a couple of schools, don't remember which ones, that did a HBCU Show Style show, quite entertaining.

 

In all there are 17 high schools in Cobb County. Georgia generally has county wide school systems, and Cobb is a major suburb of Atlanta. Imagine if all the schools in Tarrant county were in the same district.

 

Whatever......I moved from Marietta, GA to Keller, TX.....and your reference is only to Cobb Co. The state of Georgia doesn't come close to the calibur of TX marching bands. Next subject......please!

[takigan]

Forsyth Central (GA) is a school not in Cobb that also does well at BOA. They made Grand National Semi-Finals last year. Many of the Cobb schools you mentioned (Hillgrove, Walton, Kell, Kennesaw Mountain and Harrison) all beat Forsyth @ BOA Atlanta 2009. Lassiter was fully capable of doing so had they attended and Pope placed right behind Forsyth by 4/10ths of a point, so it is safe to assume that every single one of these programs are capable of making BOA Semi-Finals or better. I already mentioned that Harrison, Lassiter and Mountain have made GN Finals before and I believe all are still capable of doing so.

 

To provide a reference point for the n00bs, Pflugerville-Connally and Cy-Falls both made BOA GN Semi-Finals in 2006, but were at the bottom of the Semi-Finals pack. These 2 programs would likely make a similar placement if they attended this year.

 

Walton beat Lafayette (LA) this year at Atlanta '10 (Lafayette placed 12th @ GN Finals in '08 and placed 8th @ BOA Houston last year).

 

Kell only trailed Wando (South Carolina) by a small margin @ BOA Atlanta '09 and Wando later went on to place 11th in GN Finals later that season. It is safe to assume that Kell's program is at the same level as Cedar Park or Hebron.

 

Collins Hill is another Georgia program that is quite good.

[Steeldrum]

  daldhowe said:

Whatever......I moved from Marietta, GA to Keller, TX.....and your reference is only to Cobb Co. The state of Georgia doesn't come close to the calibur of TX marching bands. Next subject......please!

 

Son, go back and read my reply again. What I said was that Cobb County probably has more good band programs than most states, OTHER THAN TEXAS AND INDIANAPOLIS. I don't believe I referenced the rest of Georgia nor compared it to Texas. I'm also from Georgia, live in Texas now, and don't dispute that Texas has without a doubt the highest level of band programs in the nation. My point to be clearer, is that Cobb County Schools perhaps has the most overall successful music programs of any single school system in the nation considering the number of high quality programs there.

 

So you're from "May-etta", welcome to Texas!

[drummerjoe]

  Steeldrum said:

Son, go back and read my reply again. What I said was that Cobb County probably has more good band programs than most states, OTHER THAN TEXAS AND INDIANAPOLIS. I don't believe I referenced the rest of Georgia nor compared it to Texas. I'm also from Georgia, live in Texas now, and don't dispute that Texas has without a doubt the highest level of band programs in the nation. My point to be clearer, is that Cobb County Schools perhaps has the most overall successful music programs of any single school system in the nation considering the number of high quality programs there.

 

So you're from "May-etta", welcome to Texas!

 

Indianapolis is a city. Indiana is the state.

[whitewing09]

  takigan said:

Forsyth Central (GA) is a school not in Cobb that also does well at BOA. They made Grand National Semi-Finals last year. Many of the Cobb schools you mentioned (Hillgrove, Walton, Kell, Kennesaw Mountain and Harrison) all beat Forsyth @ BOA Atlanta 2009. Lassiter was fully capable of doing so had they attended and Pope placed right behind Forsyth by 4/10ths of a point, so it is safe to assume that every single one of these programs are capable of making BOA Semi-Finals or better. I already mentioned that Harrison, Lassiter and Mountain have made GN Finals before and I believe all are still capable of doing so.

 

To provide a reference point for the n00bs, Pflugerville-Connally and Cy-Falls both made BOA GN Semi-Finals in 2006, but were at the bottom of the Semi-Finals pack. These 2 programs would likely make a similar placement if they attended this year.

 

Walton beat Lafayette (LA) this year at Atlanta '10 (Lafayette placed 12th @ GN Finals in '08 and placed 8th @ BOA Houston last year).

 

Kell only trailed Wando (South Carolina) by a small margin @ BOA Atlanta '09 and Wando later went on to place 11th in GN Finals later that season. It is safe to assume that Kell's program is at the same level as Cedar Park or Hebron.

 

Collins Hill is another Georgia program that is quite good.

 

I'm confused on why you made the Connally and Cy Fall reference... They almost never make BOA SA finals. Sure they're really good bands especially in UIL terms, but are they really good indicators for the top of BOA SA?

[takigan]

  whitewing09 said:

I'm confused on why you made the Connally and Cy Fall reference... They almost never make BOA SA finals. Sure they're really good bands especially in UIL terms, but are they really good indicators for the top of BOA SA?

 

I don't think Connally's ever made BOA San Antonio finals, and Cy Falls hasn't made it since.....2004? They are good bands, but I'd say they don't really represent the type of bands that make the top of BOA San Antonio.....

 

.....

 

Wait, what was your point again? Why are we talking about BOA San Antonio? I was talking about Georgia/Cobb County bands that are capable of making BOA Semi-Finals the same way Connally and Cy-Falls barely pulled off Semi-Finals last time they went.

 

Essentially Georgia has between a half dozen and a dozen bands that are likely better than Pflugerville Connally and Cypress Falls....that was the point I was trying to make.

[Anthony V]

  Xenon said:

Nearly everyone flies. Bell is just about the only one that drives. Going every year, they pretty much have to.

 

The Sunday after BOA Grand Nationals, I am almost always flying back on a plane full of TX band kids and there are always flights before and after mine that are full of band kids too.

 

 

I know we're not a regular visitor anymore, but we drive also we we do go.

[GBMELLO]

Once I got the DVD from 2010 State, I watched all of pre-lims and finals and made my own predictions. I did this 1) because I thought it would be fun, and 2) Many people think that there was some inconsistency in the judging. So here is how MY State Marching Contest went :

 

(rankings in parentheses are actually ranking from State)

1. LD Bell (2)

2. Duncanville (5)

3. Coppell (3)

4. Hebron (4)

5. Marcus (1)

6. Bowie (6)

7. Berkner (8)

8. Brazoswood (11)

9. Rowlett (14)

10. Reagan (12)

11. The Woodlands (7)*

12. Johnson (13)*

13. Spring (9)

14. Westlake (10)

15. Round Rock (16)

16. Harlingen (26)

17. Westfield (18)

18. Keller (19)

19. Anderson (17)

20. Cypress Falls (23)

21. Langham Creek (20)

22. Cypress Woods (24)

23. O'Connor (33)

24. Hanna (25)

25. Clements (22)

26. Haltom (15)

27. Lopez (28)

28. Donna (32)

29. North Shore (27)

30. Pearland (21)

31. Hanks (31)

32. Coronado (29)

33. Taft (30)

34. Americas (36)

35. Saginaw (34)

36. Alexander (35)

*deducted 1 point for going over the 8:00 time limit

 

The Woodlands and Johnson would've BOTH been in finals if they hadn't gone over 8 minutes

 

Finals

1. Duncanville (3)

2. LD Bell (2)

3. Hebron (6)

4. Marcus (1)

5. Berkner (8)

6. Coppell (5)

7. Bowie (4)

8. Spring (9)

9. The Woodlands (7)

10. Westlake (10)

 

Please tell me what you agree with and what you think I got wrong.

[mellopwn1]

  OCMELLO said:

Once I got the DVD from 2010 State, I watched all of pre-lims and finals and made my own predictions. I did this 1) because I thought it would be fun, and 2) Many people think that there was some inconsistency in the judging. So here is how MY State Marching Contest went :

 

(rankings in parentheses are actually ranking from State)

1. LD Bell (2)

2. Duncanville (5)

3. Coppell (3)

4. Hebron (4)

5. Marcus (1)

6. Bowie (6)

7. Berkner (8)

8. Brazoswood (11)

9. Rowlett (14)

10. Reagan (12)

11. The Woodlands (7)*

12. Johnson (13)*

13. Spring (9)

14. Westlake (10)

15. Round Rock (16)

16. Harlingen (26)

17. Westfield (18)

18. Keller (19)

19. Anderson (17)

20. Cypress Falls (23)

21. Langham Creek (20)

22. Cypress Woods (24)

23. O'Connor (33)

24. Hanna (25)

25. Clements (22)

26. Haltom (15)

27. Lopez (28)

28. Donna (32)

29. North Shore (27)

30. Pearland (21)

31. Hanks (31)

32. Coronado (29)

33. Taft (30)

34. Americas (36)

35. Saginaw (34)

36. Alexander (35)

*deducted 1 point for going over the 8:00 time limit

 

The Woodlands and Johnson would've BOTH been in finals if they hadn't gone over 8 minutes

 

Finals

1. Duncanville (3)

2. LD Bell (2)

3. Hebron (6)

4. Marcus (1)

5. Berkner (8)

6. Coppell (5)

7. Bowie (4)

8. Spring (9)

9. The Woodlands (7)

10. Westlake (10)

 

Please tell me what you agree with and what you think I got wrong.

 

The Woodlands didn't actually go over 8 minutes, the clock just started about 30 seconds too early so they went over. I believe that was the case with Johnson too.

[november rain]

I guess it's safe to assume that Indiana is closer to the music superiority that Texas has.

 

May I remind you who has the highest music score in the history of Grand Nationals? Avon. 19.8.