2012 Westlake Marching Festival

[Draak Vader]

  mellopwn1 said:

Let me be 100% clear: no one has any beef with Round Rock. All those kids did was show up and perform, and they're obviously very good at it. The Westlake Marching Festival is run by adults, and I think those adults scored them in a disingenuous manner (from the perspective of a fan who is used to the BOA world).

 

In the end, it doesn't really matter...it's just an arbitrary number put on paper, and the order of placements probably turned out how it should have, but you have to agree that scoring a 95 this weekend and then ending the season with an 86-91 (like RR probably will) in San Antonio doesn't make sense.

 

Furthermore, I don't think the kids care much about what anyone says so long as they have the camaraderie and sense of accomplishment that is derived from winning and just being in band. Or at least they shouldn't care. Anyone that does might be in band for the wrong reasons.

 

Do I have to agree? Did you witness the show?

 

It's an arbitrary number only when those that get the number aren't deemed to deserve said number.

 

It's great to know, though, what the RR kids should and shouldn't care about. Hopefully they're in band for the right reasons by your standards and shouldn't and/or don't care about your jocular comments and their incendiary effects at their expense...again...you know...just sayin'.

 

Please quit while you're ahead.

[Danpod]

  Draak Vader said:

Do I have to agree? Did you witness the show?

 

It's an arbitrary number only when those that get the number aren't deemed to deserve said number.

 

It's great to know, though, what the RR kids should and shouldn't care about. Hopefully they're in band for the right reasons by your standards and shouldn't and/or don't care about your jocular comments and their incendiary effects at their expense...again...you know...just sayin'.

 

Please quit while you're ahead.

 

I think the original poster has more of a problem with the judging sheets than the Round Rock program. In fact, none of us have a problem with the program at all! He's not trying to bash anyone at all. This is just a case of misinterpreting letters on a computer screen. Apologies all around for any confusion.

[Draak Vader]

  Danpod said:

I think the original poster has more of a problem with the judging sheets than the Round Rock program. In fact, none of us have a problem with the program at all! He's not trying to bash anyone at all. This is just a case of misinterpreting letters on a computer screen. Apologies all around for any confusion.

 

All I'm saying is words have meaning and sometimes serrated edges. If you say it, be prepared to defend it...especially if you didn't witness any of the performances.

 

Again just sayin'.

 

I'm done.

[Danpod]

  Draak Vader said:

All I'm saying is words have meaning and sometimes serrated edges. If you say it, be prepared to defend it...especially if you didn't witness any of the performances.

 

Again just sayin'.

 

I'm done.

 

Agreed. No worries here at all. Can we all please sing songs and eat pie?

[Drum major]

  Danpod said:

Agreed. No worries here at all. Can we all please sing songs and eat pie?

 

NOW That was funny... But you gotta love a great debate. Point to Draak Vader! Ha.

[Danpod]

Moving on.

 

Were there 11 Finalists at Westlake or just 10? There was a little confusion on the blog about that.

[Drummantx]

  Danpod said:

Moving on.

 

Were there 11 Finalists at Westlake or just 10? There was a little confusion on the blog about that.

 

I recall there being something wrong with Lake Travis in the prelims announcement, that they made finals and it wasn't announced, so my guess is instead of adding in LT and bumping out whoever was in 10th, they just let both perform. All speculation until I find that post I read though.

[Danpod]

  Drummantx said:

I recall there being something wrong with Lake Travis in the prelims announcement, that they made finals and it wasn't announced, so my guess is instead of adding in LT and bumping out whoever was in 10th, they just let both perform. All speculation until I find that post I read though.

 

If that's the case, good call by the Westlake organizers!

[longhornsax]

Anyone know the full rundown of scores?

[scoobydoo]

  Danpod said:

Moving on.

 

Were there 11 Finalists at Westlake or just 10? There was a little confusion on the blog about that.

 

 

There were 11. They had mistakenly announced another band for finals instead of LT. They let the other band compete since they had already been announced for finals.

[OCPantherSnare]

  scoobydoo said:

There were 11. They had mistakenly announced another band for finals instead of LT. They let the other band compete since they had already been announced for finals.

 

Yes, exactly. And that "other band" you speak of was New Braunfels. A very good call by the Westlake folks, indeed, to let both NB and LT perform in finals. Plus, I got to see a friend of mine on the New Braunfels drumline because of that.

[geebee1022]

  longhornsax said:

Anyone know the full rundown of scores?

1st Round Rock 95.075

2nd Dripping Springs 92.325

3rd Anderson 90.35

4th O'Connor 89.075

5th Hendrickson 88.4

6th Vista Ridge 87.925

7th Judson 86.15

8th Lake Travis 85.45

9th Connaly 84.1

10th Wagner 80.7

11th New Braunfels 80.35

[Abbie123]

  geebee1022 said:

1st Round Rock 95.075

2nd Dripping Springs 92.325

3rd Anderson 90.35

4th O'Connor 89.075

5th Hendrickson 88.4

6th Vista Ridge 87.925

7th Judson 86.15

8th Lake Travis 85.45

9th Connaly 84.1

10th Wagner 80.7

11th New Braunfels 80.35

 

Lake Travis at 8th is very interesting... Their show looked very solid in all the video run-throughs I saw...

Maybe the competition is intensifying throughout the state this year... It will be interesting to see the results at the end of the marching season... Hendrickson 5th as well, they got 5th at a BOA Conroe the week before, I can't imagine if Round Rock or Anderson would have been there at a BOA last week or the week before...

[Nosagi]

  Abbie123 said:

Lake Travis at 8th is very interesting... Their show looked very solid in all the video run-throughs I saw...

Maybe the competition is intensifying throughout the state this year... It will be interesting to see the results at the end of the marching season... Hendrickson 5th as well, they got 5th at a BOA Conroe the week before, I can't imagine if Round Rock or Anderson would have been there at a BOA last week or the week before...

*I was not at this contest, I'm just trying to analyze numbers, not performances* That being said, Dripping Springs placed 9th in Finals at BOA a week before and rose to second place at this contest AHEAD of Hendrickson. This goes to show 2 things, the differences in how show design can affect different judging systems (DS has been a UIL band for a long time, rarely venturing into BOA (Yes I am aware this wasn't a BOA or a UIL contest)), they probably had a much better run this week then last week but still their scores were consistent last week. They may have added something to change everything completely but I believe their show just appeals to a different system more. The second thing it shows is how the scoring is very different, I mean DS had a 20 point rise in 7 days. If these scoring systems were consistent that would be the first time I have ever seen that much of a difference in that week. All this being said, I feel the need to say that I AM NOT ATTACKING ANYONE OR ANY BAND, I don't believe I have but looking back at this thread there seems to be some tension. Congratulations to all the bands that performed this weekend, and I personally can't wait to see how Round Rock and Anderson fits in this season, as well as Spring and some of the other bands we haven't seen in the BOA scene yet this year!

 

The point I am trying to make in regards to the above post is, RR's and Anderson's shows may have thrown all the rankings into chaos by how unconventional they were! Unfortunately they weren't there, and thus we will never know... But they will be at BOASA, THERE IS STILL HOPE!

 

TL;DR: Yay! Music n stuff!

Edited October 15, 2012 by Nosagi

[ch1k3n123]

  Abbie123 said:

Lake Travis at 8th is very interesting... Their show looked very solid in all the video run-throughs I saw...

Maybe the competition is intensifying throughout the state this year... It will be interesting to see the results at the end of the marching season... Hendrickson 5th as well, they got 5th at a BOA Conroe the week before, I can't imagine if Round Rock or Anderson would have been there at a BOA last week or the week before...

 

If I remember right, Hendrickson got 2nd in prelims but dropped to 5th in finals. I can't remember that well, and I can't find an official website with the scores but I think that's how it went. I was very suprised when that happened though.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm confused if they really dropped 3 places or not or if I just have a bad memory.

[ch1k3n123]

  Draak Vader said:

I don't understand what you don't understand....did you read what I wrote and what I was replying to? My "dig" was not at Round Rock, it was at 'mellopwan' and 'Danpod' and the backhanded smugness that their implication of an inflated score implied.

 

Cool your jets 'ch1k3n123.' I saw Round Rock's show last night at Westlake and I know whereof I speak...

 

ok jets cooled, I misinterpreted your sentence as you were talking bad at RR but instead you were talking about people talking bad about RR, and I don't like it when people misinterpret RR (as I misinterpreted your sentence) and yeah. Sorry about all that, I get worked up sometimes.

[FoobYen]

I have not seen anything official but we heard through the band that DS was second in prelims also. From what I heard, RR was in the 95 range for their prelim scores while everyone else was 90 and below.

 

It does make for interesting analysis when you see the flip-flopping of placements between BOA Conroe and Westlake for bands like Hendrickson and Dripping Springs. While I am, admittedly, biased, the combination of new GE, the white pants/shoes, and musicianship truly made for a memorable performance. I have seen this show every time they have performed and I would definitely say that it improved dramatically in the last week. It never hurts to come in 9th for some motivation either since the majority of these kids have never known a placement that low in their entire time in marching band!

 

All that being said, it was a nail-biter of a competition because the shows were beautiful and I continue to be amazed by the discipline and talent on display in these bands.

[whitewing09]

Just shows how two very good bands can be evaluated very differently at different contests!

[whardin]

  scoobydoo said:

There were 11. They had mistakenly announced another band for finals instead of LT. They let the other band compete since they had already been announced for finals.

 

I'm not sure how strict the Westlake folks were on the rules, but the LT battery was doing a full-blown warmup in the trailer/bus area well before their scheduled "official" warmup time. I thought it was strange when I saw it, but not sure if there was any penalty as a result of that. They were definitely not announced as a finalist band.

 

Also, major kudos to the Anderson kids. The sky opened up right before they went on so they scampered back into the building. Ten minutes later they came back out and were set on the field....and another major downpour started. So they ran back into the building again. Through all of that, they were extremely focused and professional.

[Mad.Hatter]

  ch1k3n123 said:

If I remember right, Hendrickson got 2nd in prelims but dropped to 5th in finals. I can't remember that well, and I can't find an official website with the scores but I think that's how it went. I was very suprised when that happened though.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm confused if they really dropped 3 places or not or if I just have a bad memory.

 

You're correct. Hendrickson did drop. Looking at my recap they finished 2nd in 5A prelims behind Round Rock and 5th in finals. (Dripping Springs competed in 4A) Don't remember seeing anything in finals between them, O'Connor and Anderson that would have changed that other than different judges. That's marching! :-)

[Mad.Hatter]

  Nosagi said:

*I was not at this contest, I'm just trying to analyze numbers, not performances* That being said, Dripping Springs placed 9th in Finals at BOA a week before and rose to second place at this contest AHEAD of Hendrickson. This goes to show 2 things, the differences in how show design can affect different judging systems .. The second thing it shows is how the scoring is very different, I mean DS had a 20 point rise in 7 days. If these scoring systems were consistent that would be the first time I have ever seen that much of a difference in that week...

I was fortunate enough to attend both BOA Conroe and Westlake with friends and we had the same impression regarding how Dripping Springs fared at the two events and how it was an interesting illustration of the different scoring systems. There was not a lot of new elements to their show over the week; and the quality in performances were fairly consistent, maybe a little cleaner this week. They looked good and had their usual solid ensemble sound in both finals. Their visual and GE scores were low at BOA, though.

[Bandlover]

I went back in time and looked at scores from previous years at Westlake, they seem to be consistant with the winners scoring in the 95% range. 2001 Bowie 95.42

[Nosagi]

  Bandlover said:

I went back in time and looked at scores from previous years at Westlake, they seem to be consistant with the winners scoring in the 95% range. 2001 Bowie 95.42

Yes, for this contest that score was accurate. It really isn't comparable to UIL or BOA scores, seeing as it is a local unaffiliated contest.

[Drummantx]

Dripping Springs silent drill opening is jaw dropping. Wow.

[FoobYen]

Can anyone tell me where I can find the breakdown of scores? The kids were talking about something tonight regarding some surprises if captions had been announced at Finals and I would like to see the scores myself. I can't find anything on the Westlake website. Thank you.