littlejaw Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 I decided to accumulate all the most recent videos that I could find of all the 6A Bands advancing to State. It will be in order of Areas and placements and hopefully will allow for everyone to get acquainted with each band before the State contest. Area A Odessa Permian 1st Area A El Paso Coronado El Paso Franklin El Paso Americas Area B Keller 1st Area B Duncanville [Can't find a video] L.D. Bell [Can't find a video] Coppell Plano East Senior - not the best angle but all I could find for now Area C Flower Mound 1st Area C - terrible quality for now Hebron - terrible angle Marcus - only a portion of the show Berkner - only a video of their first performance Wylie [Can't find a video] Area D Ronald Reagan 1st Area D [Can't find a video] Austin Bowie [Can't find a video] Round Rock [Can't find a video] Hendrickson [Can't find a video] Cedar Ridge Area E Stephen F Austin 1st Area E Cy-Fair Brazoswood - low angle Friendswood [Can't find a video] Clements - low angle Clear Brook Langham Creek Cypress Falls [Can't find a video] Area F North Shore Senior 1st Area F Spring The Woodlands College Park - low angle The Woodlands [Can't find a video] Dawson [Can't find a video] Area G Harlingen 1st Area G Brownsville Hanna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0YjS_uOHNM Laredo United Halingen South https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD9-rWhTISk Area H Vandegrift 1st Area H Leander Westlake Vista Ridge - low angle but still area jmatthews 1 Quote
littlejaw Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Well that didn't really work. Is there a limit of 2 embedded links per post? Quote
littlejaw Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 On 10/30/2016 at 9:37 PM, pokemongopractice said: The Flower Mound and Hebron videos are pretty out of date. Hebron's is from their first competition, and the Flower Mound one is from BOA Plano, but they have changed a whole bunch of things since then. I have been trying to find as many recent videos as I can Quote
Mash Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 How many band members does Flower Mound have on the field? They look huge. Quote
sebass344 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 north mesquite should have gone to state they were ranked 5th in prelims and had an even better performance in finals Quote
Statebound Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Really enjoyed Area C this weekend and saw a really impressive finals in which I thought 8 of the finalists could have been selected for state and you would not have heard a complaint. The Wylie folks were going crazy and it was a really fun moment. I remember thinking that FloMo and Hebron were definitely 1-2. Marcus was definitely 3 and Berkner 4. It was wide open after that. There are some very good videos currently posted. Below are FloMo and Hebron Hebron Flower Mound Quote
ozzmodaus Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 11:23 AM, sebass344 said: north mesquite should have gone to state they were ranked 5th in prelims and had an even better performance in finals There was a LOT of movement between Prelims and finals. Very....odd. How Wylie jumped 3 spots and North Mesquite dropped 3 is questionable at best. After prelims 1 point separated Boyd (6) and North Mesquite (5), after finals 4 points separated Boyd (6) and Wylie (5) I am sorry Wylie did NOT play THAT much better and North Mesquite THAT much worse. Not to mention Boyd's final was also much better than the prelims and they did not move at all. But, unfortunately, it is what it is and nothing can be done about it. Closed door judging is always ify at best in my opinion. I personally am tired of having, in the case of this year, 21 bands fight for 2 spots since it's a forgone conclusion that Flower Mound, Marcus and Hebron will always go. Sad to see BOA/DCI style of marches bleeding into UIL competitions. It used to be about the music and the march now it's about flash and solo performances. Hate seeing bands who march and play music WHILE marching constantly getting beat by bands who march while a soloist plays and then only play half the music the other bands play. UIL has all these rules regarding music, how long, how much solo limits....etc during concert season but not during marching...why? But, again, it is what it is and we all have to live with it I guess. Quote
Popular Post LKendrick Posted October 31, 2016 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 3:23 PM, ozzmodaus said: There was a LOT of movement between Prelims and finals. Very....odd. How Wylie jumped 3 spots and North Mesquite dropped 3 is questionable at best. After prelims 1 point separated Boyd (6) and North Mesquite (5), after finals 4 points separated Boyd (6) and Wylie (5) I am sorry Wylie did NOT play THAT much better and North Mesquite THAT much worse. Not to mention Boyd's final was also much better than the prelims and they did not move at all. But, unfortunately, it is what it is and nothing can be done about it. Closed door judging is always ify at best in my opinion. I personally am tired of having, in the case of this year, 21 bands fight for 2 spots since it's a forgone conclusion that Flower Mound, Marcus and Hebron will always go. Sad to see BOA/DCI style of marches bleeding into UIL competitions. It used to be about the music and the march now it's about flash and solo performances. Hate seeing bands who march and play music WHILE marching constantly getting beat by bands who march while a soloist plays and then only play half the music the other bands play. UIL has all these rules regarding music, how long, how much solo limits....etc during concert season but not during marching...why? But, again, it is what it is and we all have to live with it I guess. Have you watched Hebron, Flower Mound, or Marcus objectively? Particularly Hebron. I watched them last night and was absolutely floored at the musical demands they have while on the move, particularly in the closer. Was like this in their opener last year too. No one is doing what they are doing while marching, or a very select few. I mean the woodwinds are playing insane runs on the move and the brass is double and triple toungjng on the move. There is no lack of demand. Also on the 3 you mentioned, 90% of their props are either backdrop/stage setting or not involved enough with the drill that you could strip them away and the show would still work very well. But those two things aside they also march and play like very few can. You can hate the props, hate the style and hate the flashy stuff. But when you strip all that stuff away they are still performing like the best of the best. That is not BOA bleeding into UIL judging. It's just playing and marching the best. Give them a "UIL" style show and they'd probably still win. I get the frustration. When I was in HS it was ALWAYS Azle, Boswell, and some El Paso bands that advanced. No one competed with them. But the fact of the matter is they were way better and deserved to advance because state is the best of the best. No matter how you draw those Area lines there are always gonna be those bands that destroy everyone and someone is gonna get screwed. It's just how it works. And in terms of prelims vs finals judging, of course bands are not gonna stay. When you only have 10 to manage rather than 25+ the results tighten and there are no wacky lower than 10th judges that can tank someone. Prelims to finals shifts are nothing new. littlejaw, principalagent, TrumpetorHorn and 5 others 8 Quote
TrumpetorHorn Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 This is only the second time Flower Mound has advanced to state. Quote
ozzmodaus Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 3:43 PM, LKendrick said: Have you watched Hebron, Flower Mound, or Marcus objectively? Particularly Hebron. I watched them last night and was absolutely floored at the musical demands they have while on the move, particularly in the closer. Was like this in their opener last year too. No one is doing what they are doing while marching, or a very select few. I mean the woodwinds are playing insane runs on the move and the brass is double and triple toungjng on the move. There is no lack of demand. Also on the 3 you mentioned, 90% of their props are either backdrop/stage setting or not involved enough with the drill that you could strip them away and the show would still work very well. But those two things aside they also march and play like very few can. You can hate the props, hate the style and hate the flashy stuff. But when you strip all that stuff away they are still performing like the best of the best. That is not BOA bleeding into UIL judging. It's just playing and marching the best. Give them a "UIL" style show and they'd probably still win. I get the frustration. When I was in HS it was ALWAYS Azle, Boswell, and some El Paso bands that advanced. No one competed with them. But the fact of the matter is they were way better and deserved to advance because state is the best of the best. No matter how you draw those Area lines there are always gonna be those bands that destroy everyone and someone is gonna get screwed. It's just how it works. And in terms of prelims vs finals judging, of course bands are not gonna stay. When you only have 10 to manage rather than 25+ the results tighten and there are no wacky lower than 10th judges that can tank someone. Prelims to finals shifts are nothing new. Yes I saw Flower Mound and Hebron...did not get to see Marcus from the stands. I want to be clear...I am in no way questioning their talent. Honestly all 3 compare more to college than high school. That being said...yes in Hebron's case their props were just back ground...Marcus and Flower Mound (especially flower mounds) not so much. Regardless, Marcus had several segments where 99% of the band marched not playing their instruments while the soloist did the work. Flower mound had a segement where the entire woodwind section sat behind the front screens and it was brass and drum (aka DCI). Last year Hebron's entire show was based around an INCREDIBLE sax player (this kid hopefully goes pro) but it was more a resume for him than it was for the band as a whole. I do not mean to "pick on" those 3 they are just obvious examples. You are right in the reason they win is when they DO play they play amazing, I would just like to see more of it. I am sure those from these schools will jump in and call me bitter or jealous or whatever and that's fine. I admit I am. Unfortunately I cheer for a school who has these 3 in Band and Allen in Football and am just wondering if there will ever be a time for the "little" guy to grab the brass ring. Mostly I am just venting. Quote
ozzmodaus Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Oh and PS venting aside....The Flower Mound show without a doubt was one of the most entertaining and spectacular shows I have seen. If you have not seen it....try to. Quote
snares Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Hebron probably not only has the hardest woodwind music, they're brass music is pretty darn hard (and really high this year), and they always do the hardest parts on the move. Usually the only holds they have are whole notes. It's incredible. I think flomo is a mix between Marcus and hebron, not too hard but not too easy, not saying Marcus plays easy stuff it just isn't really anything compared to hebron. It just amazes me that hebron has the hardest woodwind music, AND they do it on the move Quote
Popular Post Nny14 Posted October 31, 2016 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2016 I'd never thought Id hear someone say they wanted Hebron, Marcus, and Flower Mound to play MORE than they already do 5 te 6, whitewing09, mmbandfan and 5 others 8 Quote
LKendrick Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 5:04 PM, ozzmodaus said: Yes I saw Flower Mound and Hebron...did not get to see Marcus from the stands. I want to be clear...I am in no way questioning their talent. Honestly all 3 compare more to college than high school. That being said...yes in Hebron's case their props were just back ground...Marcus and Flower Mound (especially flower mounds) not so much. Regardless, Marcus had several segments where 99% of the band marched not playing their instruments while the soloist did the work. Flower mound had a segement where the entire woodwind section sat behind the front screens and it was brass and drum (aka DCI). Last year Hebron's entire show was based around an INCREDIBLE sax player (this kid hopefully goes pro) but it was more a resume for him than it was for the band as a whole. I do not mean to "pick on" those 3 they are just obvious examples. You are right in the reason they win is when they DO play they play amazing, I would just like to see more of it. I am sure those from these schools will jump in and call me bitter or jealous or whatever and that's fine. I admit I am. Unfortunately I cheer for a school who has these 3 in Band and Allen in Football and am just wondering if there will ever be a time for the "little" guy to grab the brass ring. Mostly I am just venting. Thank you for clarifying some things. I understand. We were the little guy when I was in high school. Like I said, same bands every year and we really didn't have much of a chance in heck of advancing until the lines were redrawn in 2013 and all the bands that advanced to state were no longer in our area and then suddenly boom in 2015 they swept and made it to state while some of the the other very good bands that used to be in the area did not. I thought many of the same things at the time. In retrospect though the scores don't mean jack. Would it have been amazing to win and go to state? Absolutely. But that would have been just a mere cherry on top of my high school band experience. 5 years out only one marching season really still has an effect on me, and my best memories were growing as a band my senior year and one performance in particular where we got a HUGE crowd reaction. I probably couldn't remember most of our placements. I guess in the end I get it, it would be cool to win and advance, but some times its just not in the cards. Always take pride in your performance and growth as a band, and after that everything is out of your control. ozzmodaus 1 Quote
Bonertrom Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 3:00 AM, Mash said: How many band members does Flower Mound have on the field? They look huge. in all about 350 including pit, guard etc. Quote
Mash Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 11:48 PM, Bonertrom said: in all about 350 including pit, guard etc. WOW that is more than 100 more than our school has. Quote
bassclarinet Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 350, that's pretty amazing. There are bands with around 270 including pit, guard etc, in 6A; it just shows the variability in 6a. Quote
evanmgray1993 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Here's a better, more recent video of Brazoswood's show: Quote
bandit Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 3:39 AM, bassclarinet said: 350, that's pretty amazing. There are bands with around 270 including pit, guard etc, in 6A; it just shows the variability in 6a. Wow those are huge numbers. I would think larger bands have a harder time keeping it all clean and tidy because there are so many different spots to take care of (I could be totally wrong, but this is just my gut feel). Kudos to Flower Mound, Duncanville(?*), Coppell(?*), Bell(?*) and the other 350+ bands out there for doing such a fantastic job with their clean precise marching shows. *(?) because they seem larger than the other bands when you watch them but I don't know the numbers. Quote
ozzmodaus Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 4:53 PM, evanmgray1993 said: Here's a better, more recent video of Brazoswood's show: Thanks! My niece is in CG for Brazoswood. Quote
Hard Core Band Fan Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 3:23 PM, ozzmodaus said: There was a LOT of movement between Prelims and finals. Very....odd. How Wylie jumped 3 spots and North Mesquite dropped 3 is questionable at best. After prelims 1 point separated Boyd (6) and North Mesquite (5), after finals 4 points separated Boyd (6) and Wylie (5) I am sorry Wylie did NOT play THAT much better and North Mesquite THAT much worse. Not to mention Boyd's final was also much better than the prelims and they did not move at all. But, unfortunately, it is what it is and nothing can be done about it. Closed door judging is always ify at best in my opinion. I personally am tired of having, in the case of this year, 21 bands fight for 2 spots since it's a forgone conclusion that Flower Mound, Marcus and Hebron will always go. Sad to see BOA/DCI style of marches bleeding into UIL competitions. It used to be about the music and the march now it's about flash and solo performances. Hate seeing bands who march and play music WHILE marching constantly getting beat by bands who march while a soloist plays and then only play half the music the other bands play. UIL has all these rules regarding music, how long, how much solo limits....etc during concert season but not during marching...why? But, again, it is what it is and we all have to live with it I guess. I can tell you from many decades of going to marching contests that Flower Mound, Marcus, and Hebron (and many others past and present) have raised the difficulty of the marching band world to a level that it's hard for the large majority of the bands in Texas to compete with. They play at very high level of quality while marching very difficult drill and performing crazy body movements, all while playing at a higher level than most bands can do while sitting down. Their musicianship and athleticism is incredible. But if someone else comes along and is better, they be pushed down the chain as well. With new bands emerging as real players, it will happen to them some day. I can tell you this - disappointment for them is the same as it is for you. But what you do with that disappointment is what makes the difference. Use it as a motivator to better yourself and to encourage others around you. That is what will fuel you through life and give you success that lasts beyond a couple of years of marching band. bandmomzilla 1 Quote
Itneversnows Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Video of Reagan at Area finals https://youtu.be/cnwY1i01Nx8 Quote
bandit Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 5:04 PM, ozzmodaus said: Yes I saw Flower Mound and Hebron...did not get to see Marcus from the stands. I want to be clear...I am in no way questioning their talent. Honestly all 3 compare more to college than high school. That being said...yes in Hebron's case their props were just back ground...Marcus and Flower Mound (especially flower mounds) not so much. Regardless, Marcus had several segments where 99% of the band marched not playing their instruments while the soloist did the work. Flower mound had a segement where the entire woodwind section sat behind the front screens and it was brass and drum (aka DCI). Last year Hebron's entire show was based around an INCREDIBLE sax player (this kid hopefully goes pro) but it was more a resume for him than it was for the band as a whole. I do not mean to "pick on" those 3 they are just obvious examples. You are right in the reason they win is when they DO play they play amazing, I would just like to see more of it. I am sure those from these schools will jump in and call me bitter or jealous or whatever and that's fine. I admit I am. Unfortunately I cheer for a school who has these 3 in Band and Allen in Football and am just wondering if there will ever be a time for the "little" guy to grab the brass ring. Mostly I am just venting. I kind of understand what you're saying. And in no way do I want to take away from what any of these bands have achieved because they are fantastic. There seems to be an overall trend toward "parking and playing", solos that take over almost a full movement, a lot of running around/dancing/body movement while one section plays. Fewer bands seem to be actually marching while playing all the time. The style seems to be moving more toward a "grand show" and away from music+marching. Things have to evolve I suppose but its so very refreshing to see a school like Bell that comes out, without any props and marches a good old-fashioned show. ChristopherRoden and ozzmodaus 2 Quote
whitewing09 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 11/1/2016 at 10:39 PM, Itneversnows said: Video of Reagan at Area finals https://youtu.be/cnwY1i01Nx8 Hot dang, I'm floored. Quote
trumpetfam Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Video of Duncanville in Pre-Lims at Area. Quote
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