2018 6A State

[Brassy]

Waxahachie missed in 09 due to one wonkey judge.

[ilovebandhahaha]

Results y'all (Top 31)

1. Flower Mound
2. Vista Ridge
3. Vandegrift
4. CTJ
5. Hebron
6. Ronald Reagan
7. Keller
8. Leander
9. Marcus
10. Waxahachie
11. Cedar Ridge
12. Woodlands
13. Round Rock
14. Oak Ridge
15. Coppell
16. Prosper
17. James Bowie
18. Dawson
19. North Shore Senior
20. Seven Lakes
21. Westlake
22. John Horn
23. Cy-Fair
24. Pearland
25. Hendrickson
26. Woodlands
27. Clements
28. Brazoswood
29. Duncanville
30. Rockwall
31. Austin

[the terminator]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:24 AM, vincentlee1220 said:

should we be posting the recaps in public like this before finals is over?

 

Directors have them, and if they shared it with their kids and band parents it usually spreads pretty easily. Nothing you can really do about that.

[principalagent]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:26 AM, Brassy said:

Waxahachie missed in 09 due to one wonkey judge.

I'm actually seeing that they advanced to State Finals that year as well.

[Mash]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:30 AM, the terminator said:

Directors have them, and if they shared it with their kids and band parents it usually spreads pretty easily. Nothing you can really do about that.

Not sure the kids have them yet for all the bands.  He was asking for the scoresheet to be sent to him privately then posted it publicly. 

 

Judging is always wonky, every band can point to a state or area competition where they were disappointed by a single judge.  

[ChristopherRoden]

I’m sure everyone is a bit confused at some of placements under the finalists. In the end there’s nothing we can do is there? Oh well

[Brassy]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:34 AM, principalagent said:

 

I'm actually seeing that they advanced to State Finals that year as well.

LOL, maybe it was 07...we like to block it out of our memory!

[the terminator]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:36 AM, ChristopherRoden said:

I’m sure everyone is a bit confused at some of placements under the finalists. In the end there’s nothing we can do is there? Oh well

Agreed, at the end of the day it is a subjective competition, and what one judge sees and prefers could differ from another judge. Obviously, very unfortunate for Round Rock, but hopefully the kids could appreciate the feeling they had for their performance instead of focusing on a bad result. I will admit back in high school it was harder to see the bigger picture, but now as an adult you really appreciate just performing with your friends and giving it all that you had to give fans a great show. 

[LeanderMomma]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:15 AM, principalagent said:

6A Finals

Bill Centera

Albert Lo

Frank Troyka

Mark Waymire

Nick Williams

How do you feel about this panel? Will things likely change a lot tomorrow?

[zoomer]

oh no round rock one bad judge

[principalagent]

One thing that I'm a little sad about it is the sheer and striking lack of socioeconomic representation in this year's group of finalists. It's overall a wealthy group from wealthy school districts. Probably the least affluent band in the bunch is Leander or Waxahachie, but Leander is still pretty solidly middle class (although with a sizable number of ECODIS students) and Waxahachie is experiencing growth driven by well off people moving outward. 

 

it was nice to have Duncanville or North Shore in finals to serve as a sign that this wasn't dispositive. Now, they're both looking like exceptions that proved the rule. 

 

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:43 AM, LeanderMomma said:

How do you feel about this panel? Will things likely change a lot tomorrow?

 

Honestly I can't decide if this panel is more favorable to Vista Ridge or Flower Mound. It's anyone's game between those two.

[Avisshadow]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:36 AM, ChristopherRoden said:

I’m sure everyone is a bit confused at some of placements under the finalists. In the end there’s nothing we can do is there? Oh well

Really? Like who? None of the results surprise me personally.

Though I’m cringing at the thought that if there wasn’t one judge giving Round Rock a 34, TWHS wouldn’t have made finals and they’ve always been a “lock”.

[FloMoParent]

@LeanderMomma I was just informed that Mrs. Drinkwater, the current Lewisville Director of Fine Arts, former FM Marcus Band Director, got her start in Leander.  If that is correct, that is a neat connection.

[snares]

RR got robbed, to say the least. It’s really hard to see a relatively consistent line and then one outlier like that. It’s crazy hard to judge an entire day of bands, but that just shows to me that there’s a bit of a fundamental difference in judging philosophy between judges.

Also, my reaction to the results between the finalists is to completely ignore them! Just like BOA, prelims never is an exact picture of finals. If you want a fun pass of time, go look at 6A state results from the past three cycles (I believe it was 5A in 2012). CTJ made a huge jump to 3rd from 7th in 2014. Hebron jumped both in 2012 and 2014. FloMo took 3rd in prelims in 2014 and then dropped to 9th in finals. These scores to me are very unreliable for the most part and ultimately I believe needs a change. I don’t know what that change should be (possibly adding another music and another visual judge and dropping the highest and lowest scores), but the fact that one judge can completely change the fate of a band is kind of unnerving to me.

[TWHSParent]

For those curious, the ordinal spread between 12th and 13th was 13. Round Rock and Oak Ridge tied with judges preference going to Round Rock.

[Bluewinter22]

So I just heard United got 34th. That’s pretty awesome. First time at state a few years ago the ended up getting last I believe in prelims. Anyone have any word on the other Laredo band, Alexander? They had a really neat show and I’m curious to see where they landed.

[IPray4ABae]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:18 AM, Dband2018 said:

Look at this judging...

We are so angry right now

If that judge at least gave us

21st we would have made finals

Just be Glad you Performed well.

[gregorydf01]

Wow, Vista Ridge had the top points and 2nd in Placement!   So proud of them!!!!

Some history:  The Sr's at Vista Ridge have had more changes in Marching Directors in the past 4 years than years (5 changes).  No change with Mr. Christian as Sr. Director, but he is not the Marching Director, hat's off to him for keeping VR competitive through all of this!   Having Mr. Atkinson on board for the whole season and summer along with the youthful influence of Mr. Santos it really makes a big difference!  Here is to more stability for the next several years!

[LeanderMomma]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:49 AM, FloMoParent said:

@LeanderMomma I was just informed that Mrs. Drinkwater, the current Lewisville Director of Fine Arts, former FM Marcus Band Director, got her start in Leander. If that is correct, that is a neat connection.

She certainly did, with the Leander Band in fact.

[Danpod]

What a great contest!  Can't wait to get some more tomorrow!!

[FloMoParent]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:52 AM, LeanderMomma said:

She certainly did, with the Leander Band in fact.

small world

[Danpod]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:53 AM, FloMoParent said:

small world

 

After all.

[froggie]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:44 AM, Avisshadow said:

Really? Like who? None of the results surprise me personally.

Though I’m cringing at the thought that if there wasn’t one judge giving Round Rock a 34, TWHS wouldn’t have made finals and they’ve always been a “lock”.

[the terminator]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:44 AM, principalagent said:

One thing that I'm a little sad about it is the sheer and striking lack of socioeconomic representation in this year's group of finalists. It's overall a wealthy group from wealthy school districts. Probably the least affluent band in the bunch is Leander or Waxahachie, but Leander is still pretty solidly middle class (although with a sizable number of ECODIS students) and Waxahachie is experiencing growth driven by well off people moving outward. 

 

it was nice to have Duncanville or North Shore in finals to serve as a sign that this wasn't dispositive. Now, they're both looking like exceptions that proved the rule. 

 

 

Honestly I can't decide if this panel is more favorable to Vista Ridge or Flower Mound. It's anyone's game between those two.

 

Duncanville when I competed was always a marvel to me because despite the challenging situation many students were in they played so well and their marching was always very clean, and it made you believe that anyone could be great at music. I love my alma mater(Wakeland), but as things progressed I truly realized the advantages we had that did make a huge difference in determining our success.

[Mash]

I wouldn't put Vista as a lock for anything at this point.   I have seen them get great scores one day and then the next they get scored low.   They need to play their hearts out and leave a show that is their best yet.  I am super proud of them, and the show is a really special this year.  

 

Nothing tomorrow is set.  I would say the top three will most likely come from the top 5 today, but nothing is set.

 

Agreed on the director changes at Vista, so many changes recently and this band director hasn't even had a full year with them yet.    LISD has such a great music instruction program that I am not surprised.  The district pushes each other in band but support each other as well.