2018 6A State

[vbassoon]

Anyone have the bottom of the page of prelim results?

[El Gato_01]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:44 PM, rcb05 said:

Duncanville is still an interesting case because they finished third in State Honor Band last spring. So clearly the musical ability is still there to complete with the big boys. Maybe it comes more down to the funds they can put toward show design.

 

Or simply put, it's a different year. Still great teaching, but different set of kids. As noted earlier, Honor Band doesn't always equate to success on the marching field. and I don't think it is due to show design as UIL rewards playing execution of whatever show it is the judges hear. That's not to say that I don't think design has some effect too since a well written music book is like wearing a custom tailored suit. It will highlight your strengths, mask your weaknesses, and is easier for the kids to execute. 

 

Back to honor band though. The group that wins honor band is the varsity ensemble fro the previous year. Many programs will have 3-5 different concert ensembles. So the honor band is 1 out of 3-5 bands, and then those seniors that won the honor graduate and don't return the following year. Those two factors alone are why it is tough to equate honor band success with the same on the field success. Then bring back the show design argument and that plays it's role too. The honor band director chooses their repertoire from a prescribed music list and will pick a program that best showcases that particular ensembles skill set, which too should factor into that. So many variables, but the one constant is the great teaching and great systems that are clearly in place for those schools to perform at a high level on the stage and on the field.

[Mash]

  On 11/6/2018 at 3:59 PM, SewTallSoprano said:

So, yes I am a Vandy mom. Have one more thing to say. In the 5 years we have had kids in VHS the band program, and the school, has grown tremendously in numbers. The band itself has more than doubled in size in that short time. I'd say half of the band is made up of freshman in a now 370 member band.  I want to applaud the band directors for handling such a huge growth and teaching the freshman such a high level of skill in performance. The directors believe in the kids talent to grow from the start. Everyone marches, not just the upperclass. I am so proud of this organization! Can't wait for the next four years as our last child goes through this amazing program!

And this is the same for Vista as well, we have continued to grow in leaps and bounds which is why the uniform is what it is this year, not enough uniforms for all the kids and not enough money to purchase new ones.

 

Regarding props, Vandy has had huge props just like everyone else.  I remember a huge three part stage constructed on the field two years ago, my friend drove the truck that held it.  So I wouldn't say that Vandy is different.  Flags, rifles, and sabers in drill team have been around marching band for decades.  I am not sure what your point is.  

 

Vandegrift is a great band and has proven it, just like all the other bands yesterday and today.  I hope all of the kids perform their hearts out and take that experience with them.

[LoveMyBandNerd19]

This is why UIL isn’t supposed to focus on the pomp and circumstance. Clearly there are bands placing high in UIL that barely have any marching. Hebron should be up there. Marcus also. They have more marching. In my opinion Flo Mo should be 5th at best. Vista (and I love their show!) doesn’t have a ton of marching either.

 

If we are going by what UIL used to be, Hebron, Marcus & Vandy should be medalists. Not necessarily listed in order. Depends on how finals go.

[Nny14]

  On 11/6/2018 at 5:09 PM, LoveMyBandNerd19 said:

This is why UIL isn’t supposed to focus on the pomp and circumstance. Clearly there are bands placing high in UIL that barely have any marching. Hebron should be up there. Marcus also. They have more marching. In my opinion Flo Mo should be 5th at best. Vista (and I love their show!) doesn’t have a ton of marching either.

 

If we are going by what UIL used to be, Hebron, Marcus & Vandy should be medalists. Not necessarily listed in order. Depends on how finals go.

We must have watched a different Vista Ridge, because that show is non-stop marching. It might be a little park and bark, but the movement is there.

[Tuba1153]

  On 11/6/2018 at 5:07 AM, Avisshadow said:

Considering that this is Oak Ridge’s first time ever making state, and just 2 years ago was their first time ever making just area finals (I think), it is so cool to see them that close to making finals at state.

 

Tied with Round Rock at 13 and they beat TWCP by 12 spots.  That is awesome.  Dana, Albert, Jerriald, and Taylor did an amazing job this year and made all of CISD proud!

Going back to Eric Kurre, Joe Munoz, and Jack Allen, the Oak Ridge Program has seen crazy growth from a 4A to a 6A school and the band is now huge and a real competitor.  (i really liked their Lux show last year.  It had great potential. 

 

 

Round Rock would have made finals if it was not for the crazy Judge 5 scoring.  What was up with that?  Judge 5 score - 751/34th

[Tuba1153]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:53 PM, luhsdm said:

Anyone have the bottom of the page of prelim results?

 

[MikeKyu]

  On 11/6/2018 at 4:19 AM, TWHSParent said:

So we survived the dreaded #1 draw, if barely. The kids are thrilled!

 

#1 draw is a great opportunity to lay down the standard. State has been recently won from the #1 slot by Cedar Park last year. Congrats on finals! 

[KinDallas]

  On 11/6/2018 at 5:37 AM, LeanderMomma said:

I was going to say the exact same thing as far as a fix for UIL widely varying results go. Add two more judges and drop the lowest and highest scores. Seems so simple.

Exactly. This needs to happen. It’ll elimate one “I didn’t like that” opinion from the the queue.

[Danpod]

  On 11/6/2018 at 5:52 PM, KinDallas said:

Exactly. This needs to happen. It’ll elimate one “I didn’t like that” opinion from the the queue.

 

I am itching to address this after State!  Nothing negative or anything like that.  It's just something I have been thinking about for the past several days.

[principalagent]

I think other people noted why a 7 judge panel won't really work if you drop high and low. I instead like a 9 judge panel, so 5 and 4, and drop the high and low within each category. Then you end up with 3/2 again.

 

Or a 7 judge panel in which nobody is dropped, but the captions are more specific. That was, one judge only has a 14% influence rather than 20%, and they are looking for something a little more targeted.

[Parkwoodmom]

Livestream messed up again.....hope its fixed by 6A.....

[MikeKyu]

  On 11/6/2018 at 6:09 PM, Alvin said:

Livestream messed up again.....hope its fixed by 6A.....

ugh... Get it fixed!! 

[snares]

  On 11/6/2018 at 6:05 PM, principalagent said:

I think other people noted why a 7 judge panel won't really work if you drop high and low. I instead like a 9 judge panel, so 5 and 4, and drop the high and low within each category. Then you end up with 3/2 again.

 

Or a 7 judge panel in which nobody is dropped, but the captions are more specific. That was, one judge only has a 14% influence rather than 20%, and they are looking for something a little more targeted.

The more the merrier! I love all ideas that involve more judges and possibly eliminating the highs and lows. Anything to get rid of the inconsistencies!

 

Also, to those who are having difficulties with the stream, mine is working, if that gives you any hope.

[El Gato_01]

Re: judging- dropping high/low

 

This is already being done with TMEA in the region band audition process. 5 judges in that process and they drop the high and low, and mostly seems to work out. Because even in that process yeh you will see the similar ordinal spreads like 1, 2, 2, 3, 28...but that 28 gets dropped out and doesn't bring that poor kid down.

[principalagent]

  On 11/6/2018 at 6:33 PM, Asaiah said:

Let's not forget that more judges = more money. They don't work for free.

Instead of having 5 judges for each of two rounds, use 9 for both and have them switch captions. You can take that nixed judges pay and boost up the others for judging more

[GeekyBandMom]

Is anyone able to stream Box 5 on Roku? All I get is hockey. I mean it does say no guarantee on the Roku but...

[Danpod]

2A Finals Schedule about to be released now!

http://live.txbands.com

[Danpod]

UIL 2A Finals Schedule:

7:45 PM - Shiner
8:00 PM - Forsan
8:15 PM - Sundown
8:30 PM - Honey Grove
8:45 PM - Thorndale
9:00 PM - Valley Mills
9:15 PM - Union Grove

[Parkwoodmom]

  On 11/6/2018 at 6:48 PM, GeekyBandMom said:

Is anyone able to stream Box 5 on Roku? All I get is hockey. I mean it does say no guarantee on the Roku but...

Mine is finally back up on my laptop......the dome internet was out earlier....good luck!

[DeaRoFlo]

I think having 9 judges would work.  I also think that for area, you can't have the same judges for prelims and finals.

[Mash]

Any idea how much it costs to have a judge?  There is flights, hotels, meals, rental car, and compensation.   Based on business travel I do.  The first three probably account for at least $1000.

[NETexasBandFan]

  On 11/6/2018 at 5:37 AM, LeanderMomma said:

I was going to say the exact same thing as far as a fix for UIL widely varying results go. Add two more judges and drop the lowest and highest scores. Seems so simple.

Adding onto what Jeffrey said about what if the lowest and highest score were the same category, what if you added 2 judges to both panels and then dropped the lowes and highest score on each panel? My only issue I can see why that is just that dropping 4 out of 11 judges scores seems ridiculous, and that's a lot of judges to hire, especially at the area level.

 

I also believe UIL should stop allowing areas to hire their own judges, area is usually where spreads and arguable bias is the worse, and I'm sure the fact that areas pick their own judges, sometimes the same ones year after year, contributes to that.

[FloMoParent]

Continuing about the drop high/low...

It would be easy if all the judges were judging the same thing.  They are not  Each judge is looking at something specific.

 

Trying to attach the UIL judging sheet (it is blank) http://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Area:State_CS.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2l69h1kyTW9aZjdAQjfme-tLqS7QCSN3xfzAA8ufB3fhNPKmqCIvYiB6M

[NETexasBandFan]

  On 11/6/2018 at 7:30 PM, FloMoParent said:

Continuing about the drop high/low...

 

It would be easy if all the judges were judging the same thing. They are not Each judge is looking at something specific.

The issue with that is asking the judge to judge the band as a whole is a lot to ask out of them, watching 41 bands a day focusing on one aspect is tough enough, and you're bound to lose focus or make some mistakes in judgement already. Forcing judges to analyze every aspect of the band would only make spreads wrose and judging less accurate. It works for region because you're only being judged to see if you meet a standard, but at area/state the split in music and marching is necessary.