whitewing09 Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 7:40 PM, justabandkid94 said: Question — are these observations based on scores, or comments people make thru the season? Understand that some are based on prior year scores but the others not so sure I'd say they are generalizations that were especially true last year. Quote
justabandkid94 Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 7:44 PM, whitewing09 said: I'd say they are generalizations that were especially true last year.Cool, just what I figured, but wanted to be sure. I think you could say the same about Hebron’s music programming as CTJ’s show design — it hides dirt well. Love Hebron and their shows. But, I’ve listened to many of them so much that you begin to realize that, despite the technicality, there still is some lacking execution. I think their San Antonio finals performance may have been a little more rough than usual, which may explain them not taking the W in music. Just my two cents Quote
bob456 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 1. Reagan 2. CTJ 3. Flower Mound 4. Hebron 5. Leander 6. Vandegrift 7. Vista Ridge 8. Woodlands 9. Keller 10. Bowie 11. Cedar Park 12. Marcus 13. Cedar Ridge 14. Seven Lakes Thoughts? Quote
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 1:32 AM, bob456 said: 1. Reagan 2. CTJ 3. Flower Mound 4. Hebron 5. Leander 6. Vandegrift 7. Vista Ridge 8. Woodlands 9. Keller 10. Bowie 11. Cedar Park 12. Marcus 13. Cedar Ridge 14. Seven Lakes Thoughts? Based on everything I’ve seen and heard, this is a pretty good prediction. The only thing is that a lot of bubble bands are on par with Seven Lakes so a multitude of different bands could take the last few spots. Bandwoww 1 Quote
bob456 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 1:56 AM, Avisshadow said: Based on everything I’ve seen and heard, this is a pretty good prediction. The only thing is that a lot of bubble bands are on par with Seven Lakes so a multitude of different bands could take the last few spots. I agree 7L Oak Ridge Hendrickson or Timber Creek could take that last spot i think Quote
Mash Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 7:01 PM, 1998-2018 said: Incorrect. This statement reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of judging. Seeding a competition is a time-honored tradition and history shows us past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. While it might be tempting to say this could become self reinforcing, all you have to do is watch the historic videos (and understand the judge's perspective) to see they generally get it right. It works. Any historic bias ends when the music starts. Your last sentence appears to reveal your own bias, or perhaps frustration, and completely fails Dawkins Razor. Unless you provide support, it can be dismissed without rebuttal even though there is amply evidence to the contrary. See above: Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Of course the judges know the history of the bands involved and they have some idea of what to expect. That's not bias, it's necessary competence. Nobody gets "rooked". If the new band is clearly better, it will be reflected in the scores. Keep in mind, "clearly better" and "just as good" are different standards to a judge and there is a long-standing tradition across subjective competitions that the challenger must make a statement. If this is what you mean by "bias" I will still disagree with you and strongly recommend you get used to it. Nobody backs into Finals. You did say they were biased, prejudicial, and unfair. Some level of backlash shouldn't surprise you. Nobody will get screwed. Somebody will definitely be very disappointed. But that happens every year, regardless of how many judging panels there are or how the schedule is determined. The solution is to avoid being a bubble band. Continue to do the hard work to get better and make an undeniable statement. I said the rules for ranking were biased not the judges. I am very familiar with judging and understand how it works. I am far from naive. Did I say anyone would back into finals? Do not attempt to put words in my mouth. I will not put worlds, meanings, or intentions in yours. Respect. Quote
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:03 AM, bob456 said: I agree 7L Oak Ridge Hendrickson or Timber Creek could take that last spot i think I immediately thought of them as well. Also since College Park did really well yesterday I’d add them as a possible candidate. Maybe Pearland or SFA. Oooooohhhhh everyone is doing so well this season, it’s so exciting!! Quote
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:19 AM, Avisshadow said: I immediately thought of them as well. Also since College Park did really well yesterday I’d add them as a possible candidate. Maybe Pearland or SFA. Oooooohhhhh everyone is doing so well this season, it’s so exciting!! SFA will not be at San Antonio. Quote
Avisshadow Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:45 AM, Cityscapes said: SFA will not be at San Antonio. Oh duhhh!!! I forgot Quote
Danpod Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:45 AM, Avisshadow said: Oh duhhh!!! I forgot Understandable. There are over 250 programs competing at San Antonio Super Regional this year. JeremiahW 1 Quote
averagemusicenjoyer Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 anyone here going to be in the retreat at finals? It'd be cool to meet someone from the forums on the field Quote
Danpod Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:49 AM, username1949 said: anyone here going to be in the retreat at finals? It'd be cool to meet someone from the forums on the field Our staff members/bloggers typically head to the field right after Retreat Quote
LeanderMomma Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:48 AM, Danpod said: Understandable. There are over 250 programs competing at San Antonio Super Regional this year. Waaaaaaatttttt? 1998-2018 1 Quote
PPMC Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 4:30 PM, ValleyBandFanatic said: Pioneer has improved A LOT since their performance at BOA McAllen. I say that they will get at least 2nd in the 2A division, with a caption to go along with it Yes they have! With two weeks to go it’s going to be a very interesting race between Rouse and Pioneer for the AA title. Perhaps the initial weather caused some delay at the start? Regardless they seem to be on a full tank now. Best of luck to both groups in SA! Quote
1998-2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 2:13 AM, Mash said: I said the rules for ranking were biased not the judges. I am very familiar with judging and understand how it works. I am far from naive. Did I say anyone would back into finals? Do not attempt to put words in my mouth. I will not put worlds, meanings, or intentions in yours. Respect. I have no interest in debating semantics with you, nor will I be sidetracked by a non sequitur. Especially when others have also tried to help with information and perspective and you responded to them with the same logical fallacy. You are still missing (or ignoring) the point. I hope that you enjoy the competition and your concerns don't spoil it for you. Please don't be this guy. http://www.poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/mad/ It's two days of wonderful performances regardless of who makes Finals. Good luck to your band program. Enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Quote
Bassesbringthe_ Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! BlackJesus 1 Quote
justabandkid94 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 I’m so here for all the drama this season Quote
BenedictCucumberpatch Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Top 4 are Flomo, CTJ, TWHS, and Leander. In no order. I don’t believe Reagan’s show is challenging enough for it to be competitive with these four. Complicated shows that are cleaner than easier shows are winning shows. Quote
Mash Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 It should be a great competition. From what I have seen it looks like there are 6 or so bands that could win or medal. And a lot that will be fighting for finals spots. It feels that this year is more open than previous years with less of a clear favorite of one of two bands that are locks to win. I don't think it is because quality has gone down, it feels that quality has gone up this year. 1998-2018 and justabandkid94 2 Quote
LeanderMomma Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 3:39 PM, Bassesbringthe_ said: After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! I love it when the Vandy brass cranks out those huge long notes at the beginning of their show. Pure bliss! Vista is definitely on the rise (ha, no offense to Vandegrift). Wonderful show this year! Leander is cooking for sure this year, but I never know where to place them so I usually don't even try. And we really haven't even seen anyone else other than CTJ and Cedar Park due to Raintember and Raintober, so I just honestly don't have a clue!! I have missed seeing the DFW area bands shine this year, and the Woodlands as well. It's just been crazy and I think very few of us truly know what to expect at BOA SA this year. Too many unknowns!! Mash 1 Quote
Nny14 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 3:39 PM, Bassesbringthe_ said: After watching LISD bands on Saturday.... Vista Ridge has such a great show, top 8 finals lock! Vandy takes Music Caption... I am 87% sure about this. Leander is a top 4 probably medal lock. So fun to watch!! I wouldn't count out Hebron or Leander on that music caption. Vandegrift sounds great, but not quite as good as last year. Quote
MikeKyu Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 8:48 PM, Nny14 said: I wouldn't count out Hebron or Leander on that music caption. Vandegrift sounds great, but not quite as good as last year. I agree that both Hebron or Leander can take that caption. They both sound incredible, not taking anything away from Vandy as I love their balance and power. I think we are going to see a surprise with the new 2-panel finals selections. I see 2 LISD (Leander) bands bringing home medals. All of LISD is rocking this year. There's a great chance to see: Vandy Leander Vista Ridge Cedar Park Rouse second 4 as Panel 1's top 4 is very tough and they will be playing with little to no pressure. Their sound has really matured this year and they are performing at a high level. all play on Saturday night. Quote
thebashful15 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Not sure about other awards, but Vandegrift is going to be my pick for music too Quote
LeanderMomma Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 I'm still thinking Hebron, FloMo or Vista could take music as well. So many great bands! Quote
Bassesbringthe_ Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 With all this rain, my guess is all these music scores are going to be a lot closer to each other! That is exciting! I like it when a season doesn’t get too predictable! There is no “obvious” top finals half. And might I add, that I am very excited for Rouse! This is the best they have ever been and I can’t wait for them to be added to the BOA Finalists list in the future! Next year, there could be 5 LISD bands in BOA finals Quote
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