2018 BOA San Antonio?

[natertater21000]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:23 PM, Nny14 said:

 

Considering it's a state year for most groups and the rain I definitely think it will be lower. The competition will be just as fierce though.

Based off of the early season regional scores we are on track for another very high scoring SA super. The reagan, vandy, Bowie scores from Conroe this year match up almost perfectly with the reagan, vandy, leander scores from Conroe last year.

[Nny14]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:56 PM, natertater21000 said:

Based off of the early season regional scores we are on track for another very high scoring SA super. The reagan, vandy, Bowie scores from Conroe this year match up almost perfectly with the reagan, vandy, leander scores from Conroe last year.

True, and the dfw ones were similar too. This super regional was super competitive before, but now it's an absolute monster. There will be national finalist level bands who won't make finals.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/29/2018 at 8:12 PM, Nny14 said:

True, and the dfw ones were similar too. This super regional was super competitive before, but now it's an absolute monster. There will be national finalist level bands who won't make finals.

it will be interesting to see - I think that the entry scores for finals may remain elevated, but in a UIL year, I do not see the 96.625 top score being broken this year - but we will know more in a few days

[justabandkid94]

Marcus 2012

96.10 @ BOA (0.10 behind their their former all-time high score of 96.20 from 2007)

UIL Gold

 

I fully think that the depth of talent this year, combined with groups mastering the UIL/BOA balance, could yield equally high scores this year.

[natertater21000]

  On 10/29/2018 at 9:12 PM, justabandkid94 said:

Marcus 2012

96.10 @ BOA (0.10 behind their their former all-time high score of 96.20 from 2007)

UIL Gold

 

I fully think that the depth of talent this year, combined with groups mastering the UIL/BOA balance, could yield equally high scores this year.

For me personally there isn't "that one show" that is so good I expect a record to be broken. Honestly it makes it more fun because there are 4 or 5 bands I could see take gold under the right circumstances.

 

Side note: not to take anything away from ctj, but I wish scores had been pushed higher in 16. When I think of the most dominating San Antonio performance, it's flomo 16 hands down. Honorable mentions to Marcus 07/12 though

[Nny14]

  On 10/29/2018 at 9:31 PM, natertater21000 said:

For me personally there isn't "that one show" that is so good I expect a record to be broken. Honestly it makes it more fun because there are 4 or 5 bands I could see take gold under the right circumstances.

 

Side note: not to take anything away from ctj, but I wish scores had been pushed higher in 16. When I think of the most dominating San Antonio performance, it's flomo 16 hands down. Honorable mentions to Marcus 07/12 though

Agreed, a high number is cool and all, but winning every single subcaption? Pure domination.

[justabandkid94]

  On 10/29/2018 at 9:31 PM, natertater21000 said:

For me personally there isn't "that one show" that is so good I expect a record to be broken. Honestly it makes it more fun because there are 4 or 5 bands I could see take gold under the right circumstances.

 

Side note: not to take anything away from ctj, but I wish scores had been pushed higher in 16. When I think of the most dominating San Antonio performance, it's flomo 16 hands down. Honorable mentions to Marcus 07/12 though

Agree. I'm more or less saying that the depth and spread of the talent this year will collectively drive the scores up; not thinking of any show in particular that will be a candidate for deserving an absolutely immense score at San Antonio.

 

To each his own. Of the three, I'd go with Marcus 12 

 

Also -- sans the Marcus/Woodlands 2012 visual tie, 2007/2012 shows swept captions

[LHSax]

I've never believed higher scores to be based on quality of programs relative to the previous year, but rather a barometer of how judging works depending on where in the schedule the finalist caliber bands are. If there are top tier bands in the first block, even if they are destined to be one of the top few groups over the course of the 2 days of competition, the judge has to leave scoring room above them regardless. This early anticipation of potentially saving higher scores, results in lower top scores, since not many bands end up topping that group. But let's say, like last year, that a lot of the top bands aren't until the end, then you generally see a slow escalation of the top tier scores over the course of prelims, resulting in the scoring boom we saw in 2017. 6 of the top 10 scores from prelims last year came in the last 12 bands on Saturday. Finals scores then tend to generally reflect the prelims range.

 

I'm not sure how the top scores will be effected by the dual judging panels, but I imagine it will be somewhere between the average of the last 10 years, and the crazy burst from last year.

[natertater21000]

  On 10/29/2018 at 9:37 PM, justabandkid94 said:

Agree. I'm more or less saying that the depth and spread of the talent this year will collectively drive the scores up; not thinking of any show in particular that will be a candidate for deserving an absolutely immense score at San Antonio.

 

To each his own. Of the three, I'd go with Marcus 12

 

Also -- sans the Marcus/Woodlands 2012 visual tie, 2007/2012 shows swept captions

I'll never forget watching Marcus in 12 at SA and thinking a clarinet section feature was a mic'd soloist for about the first 8 seconds until I saw the whole section playing. My jaw immediately hit the floor.

[A Testing Trumpet]

  On 10/29/2018 at 9:40 PM, LHSax said:

I've never believed higher scores to be based on quality of programs relative to the previous year, but rather a barometer of how judging works depending on where in the schedule the finalist caliber bands are. If there are top tier bands in the first block, even if they are destined to be one of the top few groups over the course of the 2 days of competition, the judge has to leave scoring room above them regardless. This early anticipation of potentially saving higher scores, results in lower top scores, since not many bands end up topping that group. But let's say, like last year, that a lot of the top bands aren't until the end, then you generally see a slow escalation of the top tier scores over the course of prelims, resulting in the scoring boom we saw in 2017. 6 of the top 10 scores from prelims last year came in the last 12 bands on Saturday. Finals scores then tend to generally reflect the prelims range.

 

I'm not sure how the top scores will be effected by the dual judging panels, but I imagine it will be somewhere between the average of the last 10 years, and the crazy burst from last year.

 

An interesting interpretation of scoring that I've never considered before. That would provide an explanation of why 2017 was such an outlier. 

[Nebp]

So what you are saying is that that score for CTJ last year was a fluke and not truly earned.

[principalagent]

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:01 AM, Nebp said:

So what you are saying is that that score for CTJ last year was a fluke and not truly earned.

That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying that scoring in general is determined by a variety of conditions that naturally inflate or depress scores, and the conditions were perfect for CTJ to break the record.

 

There are two main ways to accomplish this. Either the competition is so strong that the scores start high, like 2017. Or, your performance is so ridiculously ahead of everyone else’s that you sit well on top, like Marcus 2012. Alternatively, a relative depression of scores can occur when all the bands are sitting in the same area, which doesn’t allow for the bands above a given clump to have a margin that pushes their score much higher. See 2013, and to a lesser extent 2015, for that.

[justabandkid94]

PrincipalAgent saves the day

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:01 AM, Nebp said:

So what you are saying is that that score for CTJ last year was a fluke and not truly earned.

WOW!!!- Really??? that is what you got from the conversation from the past week about scoring? that CTJ's score was somehow false and not earned?

 

I do more than my share of stating my personal comments, I own those and take my share of beatings for it, but it is directed at my disagreement with a post from an individual -  there is no place for slamming a program and as it appears you are new here and have stated the "Death of CTJ" and now questioning the validity of there 2017 win in San Antonio SR in the past 36 hours, I feel the need to call you on it.

 

I am hoping that your log in of NEBP does not stand for "North East Band Parent" because, as has been stated here on multiple occasions, regardless of the scores or placements, at the end of the day these kids from EVERY program put all they have on the field. Those same kids are on this site and should not be subjected to your type of response or comments that are hurtful to a program that they have put their all into, and that questions the values or accomplishments of their program.

 

Hype your program - GREAT - but don't slam others, every kid on the field is working their tail off  - that, my friend is a party foul. I will be in the dome this weekend and next week cheering for all the bands (even Reagan) and hope that you can find it in yourself to do the same.

 

#WHATABAND

[1998-2018]

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:55 AM, justabandkid94 said:

PrincipalAgent saves the day

Not the first time and won't be the last.

 

The insightful maturity of his comments and the recent hint regarding his comparatively young age initially seemed at odds with each other but I think I have solved the paradox.

His birthday must be February 29th

[LostChoirGuy]

  On 10/30/2018 at 2:37 AM, banddad84 said:

WOW!!!- Really??? that is what you got from the conversation from the past week about scoring? that CTJ's score was somehow false and not earned?

 

I do more than my share of stating my personal comments, I own those and take my share of beatings for it, but it is directed at my disagreement with a post from an individual - there is no place for slamming a program and as it appears you are new here and have stated the "Death of CTJ" and now questioning the validity of there 2017 win in San Antonio SR in the past 36 hours, I feel the need to call you on it.

 

I am hoping that your log in of NEBP does not stand for "North East Band Parent" because, as has been stated here on multiple occasions, regardless of the scores or placements, at the end of the day these kids from EVERY program put all they have on the field. Those same kids are on this site and should not be subjected to your type of response or comments that are hurtful to a program that they have put their all into, and that questions the values or accomplishments of their program.

 

Hype your program - GREAT - but don't slam others, every kid on the field is working their tail off - that, my friend is a party foul. I will be in the dome this weekend and next week cheering for all the bands (even Reagan) and hope that you can find it in yourself to do the same.

 

#WHATABAND

Someone was triggered. Aren't you the same person that said you didnt believe Cy-Fair deserved to be one of the top 30 bands in Texas or that Waxahachie was good enough to be on that list either? I see that as no different than a suggestion that CTJs score was inflated last year. Besides, it is pretty clear it was just trying to get a reaction anyways and it seems to have worked.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/30/2018 at 3:19 AM, LostChoirGuy said:

Someone was triggered. Aren't you the same person that said you didnt believe Cy-Fair deserved to be one of the top 30 bands in Texas or that Waxahachie was good enough to be on that list either? I see that as no different than a suggestion that CTJs score was inflated last year. Besides, it is pretty clear it was just trying to get a reaction anyways and it seems to have worked.

it is one thing to state in my opinion that a program did not fit into my projection because I have not seen those programs - we all have projections and not everyone will fit - nor is that degrading - it is another to degrade a program as "DEAD" or that their win in one of the largest events of the year was not earned.

[Fwguard17]

  On 10/30/2018 at 3:42 AM, banddad84 said:

it is one thing to state in my opinion that a program did not fit into my projection because I have not seen those programs - we all have projections and not everyone will fit - nor is that degrading - it is another to degrade a program as "DEAD" or that their win in one of the largest events of the year was not earned.

Wow... no one said their win was undeserved. They said the record score was a fluke. Even that isnt negative towards your program, just commenting on the way the contest played out. Maybe stop finding slights in what random people online say and focus on supporting your program in real life. Just my two cents.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/30/2018 at 4:01 AM, Fwguard17 said:

Wow... no one said their win was undeserved. They said the record score was a fluke. Even that isnt negative towards your program, just commenting on the way the contest played out. Maybe stop finding slights in what random people online say and focus on supporting your program in real life. Just my two cents.

below is the statement that the score was "not truly earned" - this was combined with statements that the program was DEAD in the area D feed. I currently have no kids in the program and can assure you that I support the program in real life

Nebp, on 29 Oct 2018 - 20:06, said:

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:01 AM, Nebp said:

So what you are saying is that that score for CTJ last year was a fluke and not truly earned.

[GaryBand]

It will be interesting to see how Prosper does. I think they might be competing for the 14th spot, if they can clean this week.

[LostChoirGuy]

Work has been so boring this week. Im living for the drama on here.

[principalagent]

  On 10/30/2018 at 5:26 AM, LostChoirGuy said:

Work has been so boring this week. Im living for the drama on here.

I don’t have time or energy to keep up with it on top of school!

[1998-2018]

  On 10/30/2018 at 4:14 AM, banddad84 said:

below is the statement that the score was "not truly earned" - this was combined with statements that the program was DEAD in the area D feed. I currently have no kids in the program and can assure you that I support the program in real life

Nebp, on 29 Oct 2018 - 20:06, said:

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:01 AM, Nebp said:

So what you are saying is that that score for CTJ last year was a fluke and not truly earned.

It's true that the period makes that sentence a statement but it's actually one person's interpretation of a different person's comment. It could just as easily be a punctuation error. If the sentence ended in a question mark it would mean they were asking for clarification.

 

This is another person's reaction to both statements. See the difference?

 

  On 10/30/2018 at 1:07 AM, principalagent said:

That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying that scoring in general is determined by a variety of conditions that naturally inflate or depress scores, and the conditions were perfect for CTJ to break the record.

There are two main ways to accomplish this. Either the competition is so strong that the scores start high, like 2017. Or, your performance is so ridiculously ahead of everyone else’s that you sit well on top, like Marcus 2012. Alternatively, a relative depression of scores can occur when all the bands are sitting in the same area, which doesn’t allow for the bands above a given clump to have a margin that pushes their score much higher. See 2013, and to a lesser extent 2015, for that.

Is it possible you misunderstood? Does the CTJ Band need your strident defense? I ask because this isn't the first time you have done it recently. It seems to me they speak extremely well for themselves. You often do too...if the subject isn't CTJ.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/30/2018 at 6:13 AM, 1998-2018 said:

 

It's true that the period makes that sentence a statement but it's actually one person's interpretation of a different person's comment. It could just as easily be a punctuation error. If the sentence ended in a question mark it would mean they were asking for clarification.

 

This is another person's reaction to both statements. See the difference?

 

 

Is it possible you misunderstood? Does the CTJ Band need your strident defense? I ask because this isn't the first time you have done it recently. It seems to me they speak extremely well for themselves. You often do too...if the subject isn't CTJ.

was it misunderstood? doubted when taken with the other post by this member in the last 9 days since creating their account. 

 

does CTJ need my strident defense?  NO - this is a great program that has created both state and national recognition for their program and will continue to grow with or without my support.  but it does not stop me from being offended from the comments that I have seen this season about a homage to Trump and many other attacks on the program and now questioning the scoring of their 2017 win

 

I respect and support many programs within the Texas Marching Arts and consider this my second job - as a long term band geek, it is a job that I live for.

 

I have taken heat for calling people out on their comments - but I have never called out a program - that is an issue.

 

this is a program that has built a reputation for dedication and success and questioning that is an issue for me - as it would be for any program

[1998-2018]

Maybe there is a trend in their previous comments I hadn't picked up on. I don't generally read that Area's thread. I'm just letting you know I have seen a trend in some of your comments. You sometimes see attacks where others just see opinions when it comes to CTJ. Your responses are more measured when questionable comments are made about other bands and it gives you more credibility.

 

Just an opinion to consider, not intended as an attack.