2018 BOA San Antonio?

[Danpod]

I'm home and very tired.

 

I ask you all to please not burn this place down while I sleep

[LostChoirGuy]

Eh, looking at the order of bands in panel 1 and panel 2, there may have been a /slight/ increase of scores for panel 1, but they really weren't that significant. There were still several bands from panel 2 in the top 7 and one of the last four was from panel 2 as well as the next out.

 

I dont think that the finalists we got were in any way unqualified to be there and MFA doesnt "owe anyone an apology".

[LostChoirGuy]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:23 AM, BandoFando said:

I thought The Woodlands and Keller were much more comparable to the rest of the top half than the jump in score implies, but other than that I think the finals judges did a good job at ordering the bands.

Unfortunately this is what happens with the top 7/ bottom 7 split. It becomes very difficult to make up the gap because the scores tend to increase over the course of finals.

[scoobydoo]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:19 AM, A Testing Trumpet said:

I think this result, more than ever, tells Round Rock that they need figure out how all these new bands surpassed them and learn from that. I know this might sound harsh, but if they desire to climb back up they simply cannot rely on the same techniques they have been using.  It's true that they have changed some things design wise, but something is still missing and I hope they can figure out what it is. Regardless of this result, I am still very proud that they advanced to State and I hope this fires them up to do well there. I apologize if this offends anyone, but simply put, this result is a testament that they are still very similar to 2011-2017 RR, and they need to  change even more if they hope to make finals at the SA's and GN's of the future. Some tough love but I'm saying this because I know they have it in them to improve. Good Luck! 

I agree. I know they've been going to GN every other year. I wonder if this result will change that. Maybe they need time to refocus. Do you happen to know who they used for their show design this year?

[principalagent]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:31 AM, scoobydoo said:

 

I agree. I know they've been going to GN every other year. I wonder if this result will change that. Maybe they need time to refocus. Do you happen to know who they used for their show design this year?

Blue Knights’ design team on the visual side and show design.

[A Testing Trumpet]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:31 AM, scoobydoo said:

I agree. I know they've been going to GN every other year. I wonder if this result will change that. Maybe they need time to refocus. Do you happen to know who they used for their show design this year?

JB made the show but I can confirm he had left RR before the season began to my knowledge. I'm guessing they used the new techs to replace him, but I cannot confirm that portion. 

[A Testing Trumpet]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:31 AM, scoobydoo said:

I agree. I know they've been going to GN every other year. I wonder if this result will change that. Maybe they need time to refocus. Do you happen to know who they used for their show design this year?

It also saddens be greatly to say, but I think the benefits of waiting a year to restructure may be for the better, and may cause them to cancel plans for GN's next year. I can't say what they will decide as I'm not apart of the band anymore but it is something I'm sure they will think very hard about. 

[CTJBandPops]

Texas Band is a lot like Texas weather - if you are not happy with it - wait a few hours- it will change.

i know we all say it every year about how insane this competition is, but I changed my mind a dozen times as I was watching finals - so many good programs and in a UIL State year - I expected it to be a a bit more reserved - NOT

 

Great shows all around - UIL State starts in about 30 hours and then it will be time for most of these programs to go back and decide what worked well - what was not so much.

[A Testing Trumpet]

Describing the atmosphere of Texas Bands with Texas Weather is a genius analogy!  

[Bandwoww]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:23 AM, BandoFando said:

I thought The Woodlands and Keller were much more comparable to the rest of the top half than the jump in score implies, but other than that I think the finals judges did a good job at ordering the bands.

Yeah, especially with how much closer Keller was to Leander in prelims

[bandit]

The level of competition here in TX is insane. Is there any other state with a contest with this depth? So proud of all these kids and how hard they all worked. Every one of them.

 

Also, do we know which TX bands are making the trip to Grand Nats next year? 

[sabandalumni]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:51 AM, A Testing Trumpet said:

uhh

Yeah. Another 2003 repeat. #Reagan

[CTJBandPops]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:07 AM, bandit said:

The level of competition here in TX is insane. Is there any other state with a contest with this depth? So proud of all these kids and how hard they all worked. Every one of them.

 

Also, do we know which TX bands are making the trip to Grand Nats next year? 

there is a great deal of speculation that there could be a very big Texas contingent next year with only 1 going this year, and next year is not a 6A state year.

 

I don't think we will know till after the first of the year and much of that is kept secret until they can get support from parents, boosters and administration.

 

the cost remains an issue and some of the programs whose names have been tossed around already have commitments for thins like Rose Parade, Macy's Parade etc. or just not interested in the cost per student.

 

I would imagine that rather than go to grand nats - we may start to see more Texas bands venture out to other regionals or SR like St Louis - 2 Texas bands this year - both in finals and got to go up against Broken Arrow, Blue Springs, and many other bands that you would otherwise only see in Indy. slightly shorter trip and does not add to the end of the season - it is prior to BOA SA.

 

just my thoughts

[PLC137]

More demographics - It looks like finals had six bands from the greater Austin area (Vista, Hendrickson, Cedar Ridge, Vandegrift, Leander, and Westlake), five from greater DFW area (FM, Hebron, Keller, Marcus, LD), two from San Antonio (CTJ, RR), and one from greater Houston (Woodlands).  

 

Other extremely useful observations:

-  The FloMarching stream must've shown the Rocket Mortgage ad about 700 times - and that was just a few hours of prelims.  I think a letter-writing campaign is in order.

-  The Alamodome snack shops closed before the ~1 hr exhibition and awards phase.  I would've paid at least $6 for a $5 bottle of Diet Pepsi.

-  Across Cherry street there is really convenient $10 parking and a not-too-bad Japanese restaurant.

-  It would be interesting to those amateur musicians among us to have a voice over of a typical show pointing out all the little flaws that result in deductions.  This is kind of like when a layperson watches Olympic gymnastics and the broadcaster explains why this gymnast gets a 9.875 and the other only got 9.750, causing the former to get the medal.

[LHSbandDad]

So proud of our Leander kiddos!!  Also so happy to be part of LISD (south) and to see Vista and Vandy in finals with us and let's not forget the 2A champion Rouse.  It was sad not to have Cedar Park in finals with us but overall it was a very good night to be in Leander ISD with all our sister schools.

 

What a great finals!!  Congrats to FloMo, Reagan, Hebron, CTJ and all the other bands.  What a great competition!!

 

My wife and I just love coming to this event every year and walking around the Alamodome, Riverwalk and Mall and seeing all the parents in theme shirts representing their schools.  What a great weekend.  Can't wait until next year!!

[Drum major]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:43 AM, Nny14 said:

It's time to catch up or be left in the dust.

Your negative "opinion/attitude"  is neither wanted or necessary and not helpful in the least. .

As you grow up, you will find that not having a "filter" is not something to be proud of.

How you treat others will come back to you and let me tell you "Karma is a b**ch" 

Good luck to you in the future.

 

On a happy note!

Congratulations to all the other bands.  So proud of Westlake!  you guys deserved it, what a great show.  

[GeekyBandMom]

KIDS did that with only 8 hours allowed a week. And months of constant rain. Everything to be proud of, whether you played last night or not. It was absolutely stellar, all of it. Hold your heads high.

 

Be humble and be kind.

[JustBelieve]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:32 AM, BandGuy2 said:

 

I’m a related to Prosper and man, we did well and I’m excited for grand nationals. An 89.40 is definitely a great score and we’re happy with where we are.

I'm proud of prosper 16th out of 84 bands! They continue to rise.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:23 AM, Danpod said:

I'm home and very tired.

 

I ask you all to please not burn this place down while I sleep

looks like the walls are still standing - for now. thanks to the TXBands team for your efforts these past 2 days in the dome

[littlejaw]

  On 11/4/2018 at 8:18 AM, PLC137 said:

- It would be interesting to those amateur musicians among us to have a voice over of a typical show pointing out all the little flaws that result in deductions. This is kind of like when a layperson watches Olympic gymnastics and the broadcaster explains why this gymnast gets a 9.875 and the other only got 9.750, causing the former to get the medal.

This is not how judging works. What you are talking about it the tick system where mistakes recieve a deduction from a perfect score.

 

What we have is a build up system, where scores start at 0 and the groups are rewarded for what they do. This means that someone could make a mistake but the group could still get a perfect subcaption score.

 

The main thing is the first group sets a standard that the judge (who is trained) says is worth a certain amount of points and then everyone is evaluated relative to them and others.

 

Perfect subcaption scores are nearly impossible unless the last group of the day is the best group, because judges tend to leave room for higher scores.

 

I guess if you want to know why a specific group is ranked somewhere some of us could help understand that.

[BandWatcher]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:26 AM, LostChoirGuy said:

Eh, looking at the order of bands in panel 1 and panel 2, there may have been a /slight/ increase of scores for panel 1, but they really weren't that significant. There were still several bands from panel 2 in the top 7 and one of the last four was from panel 2 as well as the next out.

I dont think that the finalists we got were in any way unqualified to be there and MFA doesnt "owe anyone an apology".

If you watch the shows and not just look at numbers, then yes... MFA did a disservice to some programs and needs to take action for next year.

[BandWatcher]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:07 AM, bandit said:

The level of competition here in TX is insane. Is there any other state with a contest with this depth? So proud of all these kids and how hard they all worked. Every one of them.

 

Also, do we know which TX bands are making the trip to Grand Nats next year? 

There isn’t another state with this level of depth and talent. Which is another reason why BOA needs to get the judging issue fixed; what works for the rest of the country doesn’t cover eventualities you’ll see play out here.

[BandWatcher]

  On 11/4/2018 at 8:37 AM, LHSbandDad said:

So proud of our Leander kiddos!!  Also so happy to be part of LISD (south) and to see Vista and Vandy in finals with us and let's not forget the 2A champion Rouse.  It was sad not to have Cedar Park in finals with us but overall it was a very good night to be in Leander ISD with all our sister schools.

 

What a great finals!!  Congrats to FloMo, Reagan, Hebron, CTJ and all the other bands.  What a great competition!!

 

My wife and I just love coming to this event every year and walking around the Alamodome, Riverwalk and Mall and seeing all the parents in theme shirts representing their schools.  What a great weekend.  Can't wait until next year!!

Leander was very good! Great season for themselves

[Hard Core Band Fan]

  On 11/4/2018 at 6:19 AM, A Testing Trumpet said:

I think this result, more than ever, tells Round Rock that they need figure out how all these new bands surpassed them and learn from that. I know this might sound harsh, but if they desire to climb back up they simply cannot rely on the same techniques they have been using.  It's true that they have changed some things design wise, but something is still missing and I hope they can figure out what it is. Regardless of this result, I am still very proud that they advanced to State and I hope this fires them up to do well there. I apologize if this offends anyone, but simply put, this result is a testament that they are still very similar to 2011-2017 RR, and they need to  change even more if they hope to make finals at the SA's and GN's of the future. Some tough love but I'm saying this because I know they have it in them to improve. Good Luck! 

 

I hope that rather lash out at you, that people in this program will understand that you are very concerned and want the best for your former band. Despite what others may say, as a former participant, you do have the right to express your opinion here. Also, sometimes being honest is the only way to bring on real change. No one wants to see any program struggle to stay in the mix and you are obviously really concerned for them. I hope it will be taken that way. It should be.

[Dband2018]

  On 11/4/2018 at 3:38 PM, Hard Core Band Fan said:

I hope that rather lash out at you, that people in this program will understand that you are very concerned and want the best for your former band. Despite what others may say, as a former participant, you do have the right to express your opinion here. Also, sometimes being honest is the only way to bring on real change. No one wants to see any program struggle to stay in the mix and you are obviously really concerned for them. I hope it will be taken that way. It should be.

Of course, after all he is was a RR dragon band member himself