2018 BOA San Antonio?

[Bandwoww]

Ya know, I thought last nights finals was almost just as competitive as 2017. Obviously Avon wasn’t there but getting into finals was just as cut-throat. Recent medalists, Leander and The Woodlands, found themselves back in the top 10, Vista Ridge made a huge statement and jumped to top 5. Ronald Reagan, Flower Mound, Hebron, and Keller found ways to improve after last year’s successes. CTJ and Vandegrift remain as two prominent Texas powerhouses. Westlake was such a nice surprise and completely deserved that finalist spot. Bell returned to finals after missing for a long time, and Cedar Ridge and Hendrickson proved they belonged with the best. Marcus is still Marcus and what they have achieved this year is spectacular.

 

My top 4 favorite shows!

 

1. Vista Ridge - probably the most well produced and cohesive package I saw last night. Evokes an emotional response unlike no other, deserves every bit of praise and managed to EXCEED the crazy hype it had. Bravo.

2. Keller - It amazes me that a group can have such consistent success after being mostly unknown until a few years ago and it amazes me even more that they build off of it EVERY year. Truly inspirational performance last night, can’t wait to see what they do at state.

3. The Woodlands - The consistency in design by The Woodlands is unparalleled in my opinion. Every year their show seems to be one of my favorites. It’s crazy that bands like The Woodlands and Keller sit outside of the top half! These performances would’ve done NUMBERS before 2017, Texas band is crazy!!

4. Flower Mound - I reallllllly doubted this show until last night but oh man was I wrong! Everything about it was SO solid and each moment is perfect. Congrats on the win FloMo, well deserved!

[Hard Core Band Fan]

  On 11/4/2018 at 12:56 PM, Drum major said:

Your negative "opinion/attitude"  is neither wanted or necessary and not helpful in the least. .

As you grow up, you will find that not having a "filter" is not something to be proud of.

How you treat others will come back to you and let me tell you "Karma is a b**ch" 

Good luck to you in the future.

 

On a happy note!

Congratulations to all the other bands.  So proud of Westlake!  you guys deserved it, what a great show.  

 

Another result of growing up is to realize that others have opinions that you may not agree with, but that they do have a have a right to express them. People who care express it in different ways - some with tough love and others with encouragement. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make you right and them wrong. You both have great concern for the same thing. Remember that.

[MadisonBandMan1]

You know I would like to take a moment to say just how proud I am of the Madison band. This year we scored 5.6 points better than we ever have, and we worked so hard for it. This was such an amazing show with amazing students and amazing directors. No matter where we placed, EVERYONE should be proud of this season and how far we have come. Go mavericks.

[Rudedog34]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:00 PM, MadisonBandMan1 said:

You know I would like to take a moment to say just how proud I am of the Madison band. This year we scored 5.6 points better than we ever have, and we worked so hard for it. This was such an amazing show with amazing students and amazing directors. No matter where we placed, EVERYONE should be proud of this season and how far we have come. Go mavericks.

You are a testament to why Madison is moving in the right direction.

Class acts, both you and your program. Congrats on a great year Maverick Band!

[MadisonBandMan1]

Just think of this- an 82.6 in 2016 would have landed us at 19th place just below vista ridge. This year we placed 40th with that score. That’s another testament to just how insane this competition is.

[LHSbandDad]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:00 PM, MadisonBandMan1 said:

You know I would like to take a moment to say just how proud I am of the Madison band. This year we scored 5.6 points better than we ever have, and we worked so hard for it. This was such an amazing show with amazing students and amazing directors. No matter where we placed, EVERYONE should be proud of this season and how far we have come. Go mavericks.

Great perspective and I agree!!  This another one of the many things I like about band.  It has been great for my kids and sounds like it has been for you too. There is so much to be proud of and so many small wins to be found if you look for them.  I am so glad you and your school are proud of your improvement, you should be!!

[BandKid4Lyfe]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:55 AM, BandWatcher said:

BOA owes Cedar Park and Bowie an apology. Nothing against LD Bell and Westlake, but they were in finals because of lucking into panel 1. Finals scores back that up. Either BOA needs to get their judging panels to be more consistent (not sure how you do that since they’re people and prone to subjective differences) or you cap the contest at 60 bands and go back to one panel over two days. What’s been communicated today is that luck is every bit as important as show design and skill. Cedar Park not getting to perform at Waco might have factored but Bowie’s trajectory all season has been higher than Bell, Westlake, even Cedar Ridge and Hendrickson. Both CP’s and Bowie’s prelims runs were plenty good enough. Nobody probably cares tho. I’m sure Dan won’t spend 5 seconds talking about it on the pod.

 

In a perfect world, we'd have the exact same judges for all the bands, true. Saying that LD Bell and Westlake made it to finals on luck rather than earning those spots is incredibly disappointing to hear from someone in the band community. Every kid that performed over the past two days works hard. 

 

Congratulations to every single member of Westlake and LD Bell for making finals, they earned it! 

 

Sour grapes will only give you a sucky-face. Get over it please. Thanks. 

[GeekyBandMom]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:00 PM, MadisonBandMan1 said:

You know I would like to take a moment to say just how proud I am of the Madison band. This year we scored 5.6 points better than we ever have, and we worked so hard for it. This was such an amazing show with amazing students and amazing directors. No matter where we placed, EVERYONE should be proud of this season and how far we have come. Go mavericks.

One of the best things I’ve read in a long time! You had a fantastic show. A great attitude will carry you farther in life than any accolades, I promise you that. This competition is extremely deep and we have fantastic bands in Texas. Period.

[jcbg]

Did FM set a record for highest score at SA? My goodness

[principalagent]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:36 PM, jcbg said:

Did FM set a record for highest score at SA? My goodness

Quite literally the smallest possible margin under it. The honor belongs to CTJ.

 

Reagan and Hebron both set score records for 2nd and 3rd place. I believe Vista Ridge did as well for 4th. Reagan now has the 3rd best all time regional score.

 

It should be something like:

CTJ 2017 - 96.625

FloMo 2018 - 96.6

Reagan 2018 - 96.4

Marcus 2007 - 96.2

Marcus 2012 - 96.1

Hebron 2018 - 96.05

Churchill 1997 - 96.00

[jcbg]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:40 PM, principalagent said:

Quite literally the smallest possible margin under it. The honor belongs to CTJ.

 

Reagan and Hebron both set score records for 2nd and 3rd place. I believe Vista Ridge did as well for 4th. Reagan now has the 3rd best all time regional score.

 

It should be something like:

CTJ 2017 - 96.625

FloMo 2018 - 96.6

Reagan 2018 - 96.4

Marcus 2007 - 96.2

Marcus 2012 - 96.1

Hebron 2018 - 96.05

Churchill 1997 - 96.00

Wow. SA this year... wow.

[Mikeythgsn]

While I do think Bowie should’ve been in finals and the current system with the different panels heavily affected that, they would’ve made finals if it weren’t for for those two captions. Individual music was 18th and individual marching 26th. Can’t have that happen if you want to be a finals band. I loved their show and think they should’ve made finals, but we can’t blame it all on BOA, Bowie is rising but still has work to do.

[Mash]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:57 AM, Band2013 said:

Vista Ridge & Cedar Ridge made the biggest gains from prelims to finals.

Maybe it is because the Ridge in the name...  :-)

 

For Vista it might have been the prelim time.  7:15am and they had a call time at 2:30am.  That is a really long day.  I don't know if they would have gotten better scores if they had a more favorable prelim time, my guess is yes given the difference in finals placement between them and Leander for example.  They also had the lower scoring prelim judges between the two.  

 

I am not sure (too tired to look it up) about Cedar Ridge to see if they had similar circumstances.

 

It worked out great for Vista in the long run, super proud.  I also don't think there is a way around the early prelim time, bad luck on the draw.  

[Rackmaster]

Could someone possibly try to help me understand why CP got 21st in GE? From a confused CP kid.

[PLC137]

  On 11/4/2018 at 3:14 PM, littlejaw said:

This is not how judging works. What you are talking about it the tick system where mistakes recieve a deduction from a perfect score.

 

What we have is a build up system, where scores start at 0 and the groups are rewarded for what they do. This means that someone could make a mistake but the group could still get a perfect subcaption score.

 

The main thing is the first group sets a standard that the judge (who is trained) says is worth a certain amount of points and then everyone is evaluated relative to them and others.

 

Perfect subcaption scores are nearly impossible unless the last group of the day is the best group, because judges tend to leave room for higher scores.

 

I guess if you want to know why a specific group is ranked somewhere some of us could help understand that.

 

Thanks for the explanation.  I suppose we can read the rules on the MFA website, but it would also be educational if an expert published a video with a breakdown of how a given score for a representative show accumulates.  It might promote a little more understanding of the art.  

[Nny14]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:10 PM, PLC137 said:

Thanks for the explanation. I suppose we can read the rules on the MFA website, but it would also be educational if an expert published a video with a breakdown of how a given score for a representative show accumulates. It might promote a little more understanding of the art.

Ive always wanted judges tapes to be released. I think they would be super interesting and insightful to listen to. I know each group receives their own tapes but it's almost always kept among the staff. Even DCI ones are rare to come across.

[ctex1994]

  On 11/4/2018 at 5:55 AM, BandWatcher said:

BOA owes Cedar Park and Bowie an apology. Nothing against LD Bell and Westlake, but they were in finals because of lucking into panel 1. Finals scores back that up. Either BOA needs to get their judging panels to be more consistent (not sure how you do that since they’re people and prone to subjective differences) or you cap the contest at 60 bands and go back to one panel over two days. What’s been communicated today is that luck is every bit as important as show design and skill. Cedar Park not getting to perform at Waco might have factored but Bowie’s trajectory all season has been higher than Bell, Westlake, even Cedar Ridge and Hendrickson. Both CP’s and Bowie’s prelims runs were plenty good enough. Nobody probably cares tho. I’m sure Dan won’t spend 5 seconds talking about it on the pod.

 

Nope  - Cedar Park had the same panel as Westlake and Bell and was beaten by both. 

 

No only that - Westlake was also slated to perform at Waco - in fact BOA San Antonio prelims was their first BOA event all season - Cedar park performed at Austin and Dallas - so their goes that argument as well. 

 

I do agree that Bowie could have easily been included - just the way the numbers fall sometimes. 

[LostChoirGuy]

Also, Westlake wouldnt have even been one of the ones kicked out if two other bands were included. They (deservedly in my opinion) were 11th in prelims.

[Guest]

If you say Westlake made finals because they were lucked into panel one, then you must not have seen their show. They were a legitimate finalist.

[Drum major]

  On 11/4/2018 at 3:51 PM, Hard Core Band Fan said:

Another result of growing up is to realize that others have opinions that you may not agree with, but that they do have a have a right to express them. People who care express it in different ways - some with tough love and others with encouragement. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make you right and them wrong. You both have great concern for the same thing. Remember that.

Another result of BEING an adult is to realize when someone HAS been blatantly been disrespectful toward a group of kids that do not need to be disrespected.  So sorry... don't agree with you - people who CARE do NOT kick someone when they are already down.  Opinions are usually backed up with substance and comments - Others have given those types of opinions and that's ok.  What is not ok - is the one liners  that he has to throw out there knowing that band kids read this    

  Not caring what you say or how you say it or who it may hurt .. Is NEVER ok.   Remember that.  

[Danpod]

Good morning.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:54 PM, Danpod said:

Good morning.

He says at 2pm...

[Danpod]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:56 PM, Samuel Culper said:

He says at 2pm...

 

It's been a long weekend and I am not done yet

[BandWatcher]

  On 11/4/2018 at 4:29 PM, BandKid4Lyfe said:

In a perfect world, we'd have the exact same judges for all the bands, true. Saying that LD Bell and Westlake made it to finals on luck rather than earning those spots is incredibly disappointing to hear from someone in the band community. Every kid that performed over the past two days works hard. 

 

Congratulations to every single member of Westlake and LD Bell for making finals, they earned it! 

 

Sour grapes will only give you a sucky-face. Get over it please. Thanks. 

If it’s possible to see around your over-inflated sense of self-satisfaction, go back and re-read my post. I didn’t say Bell and Westlake advanced *only* on luck. They obviously performed well and have worked hard. But it is disingenuous to say that the good fortune of being in panel 1 didn’t help provide the fractions needed to secure one of the wild card spots. It is possible to question the judging method without impugning any of the bands and their students. Grow up, please.

[CTJBandPops]

  On 11/4/2018 at 7:57 PM, Danpod said:

It's been a long weekend and I am not done yet

did the house burn down while you slept???