BOA Waco

[MadisonBandMan1]

Also you have to remember how much they are jazz running in that video- something extremely hard to clean. They are the closest to DCI that I have seen in any high school program - even closer than Leander imo. But I guess it doesn’t help that their director is a caption head in a top 6 drum corp.

[JeremiahW]

But I guess it doesn’t help that their director is a caption head in a top 6 drum corp.

 

Jarrett isn't caption head, he's just on brass staff at Boston. I know Gino works with Johnson a lot, so maybe that's who you're referring to?

[Bandnerd03]

I remember seeing a video from early October of CTJ last year and not seeing all the hype whatsoever. But I was absolutely amazed when I saw them in San Antonio. The way is see it is...it’s super dirty? Good. That means they have a super challenging show that pushes their boundaries but will cause them to grow exponentially by the end of the season. I think what they have is phenomenal if you look at it long term.

 

It’s extremely hard to top your best season yet especially if it’s was a BOA San Antonio championship, but I do think this will be a phenomenal year for CTJ.

 

I agree. I think the show has a lot of potential once they clean it up. In true CTJ style, I think it's much more BOA-oriented than UIL though. They'll have to do quite a bit of cleaning before it translates well in UIL. 

[MadisonBandMan1]

Jarrett isn't caption head, he's just on brass staff at Boston. I know Gino works with Johnson a lot, so maybe that's who you're referring to?

Sorry I meant brass staff. My bad.

[herbaflerb]

I remember seeing a video from early October of CTJ last year and not seeing all the hype whatsoever. But I was absolutely amazed when I saw them in San Antonio. The way is see it is...it’s super dirty? Good. That means they have a super challenging show that pushes their boundaries but will cause them to grow exponentially by the end of the season. I think what they have is phenomenal if you look at it long term.

 

It’s extremely hard to top your best season yet especially if it’s was a BOA San Antonio championship, but I do think this will be a phenomenal year for CTJ.

 

That's fair. I think there's potential. Excited to see what goes down this year.

[herbaflerb]

Also you have to remember how much they are jazz running in that video- something extremely hard to clean. They are the closest to DCI that I have seen in any high school program - even closer than Leander imo. But I guess it doesn’t help that their director is a caption head in a top 6 drum corp.

 

Totally. Jazz running was always the worst to clean. There's no way they lost their magic from last year over the course of six months, so I'm expecting something good by San Antonio.

[MadisonBandMan1]

Prelims Schedule

 

7:45 Sachse H.S., TX

8:00 McNeil H.S., TX

8:15 Klein Cain H.S., TX

8:30 Cypress Woods H.S., TX

8:45 Liberty H.S., TX

9:00 Robinson H.S., TX

 

9:15 Break

 

9:45 Round Rock H.S., TX

10:00 Rouse H.S., TX

10:15 James Martin H.S., TX

10:30 Pflugerville H.S., TX

10:45 Lehman H.S., TX

11:00 Southwest H.S., TX

11:15 Anderson H.S., TX

11:30 Waxahachie H.S., TX

 

11:45 Lunch

 

12:45 Berkner H.S., TX

1:00 Westlake H.S., TX

1:15 Centennial H.S., TX

1:30 Dripping Springs H.S., TX

1:45 Cedar Park H.S., TX

2:00 Cypress Falls H.S., TX

2:15 Westwood H.S., TX

 

2:30 Break

 

3:00 Azle H.S., TX

3:15 Marcus H.S., TX

3:30 Wakeland H.S., TX

3:45 Hendrickson H.S., TX

4:00 Waller H.S., TX

4:15 North Shore Senior H.S., TX

 

4:45 Prelims Awards Ceremony

[principalagent]

darn that 3rd block!!

[Danpod]

Here are some numbers:

 

There are six bands in the 3rd block that have made at least one Regional Final since the beginning of the 2016 season.

[Majellan]

Interesting you mentioned that. BOA Waco has only one HS Band from the Entire Region 8 of UIL Attending. That is Robinson. Four of the Class 6A Schools are going to the Texas Music Championships in Round Rock  and 14 of  the other schools to include Waco High School are going to the Gatesville Marching Contest. Most of the Bands you recognize are from the Austin Area, which is almost 100 miles from Waco. 

I've never seen a Waco band at BOA, don't know why they would start now?  I don't think distance has anything to do with it, CTJ is going to the valley BOA contest this year and went to Midland last year, both are much further from San Antonio than Waco.  Waco is what, a 4 hour drive at most, roughly the same as going to Conroe from the North side of San Antonio.  Robinson has always had a good band in Class 4A, they won't come in last.

[Dog885]

Here's an updated schedule and judge panel I got from the MFA Forums. Rouse and Klein Cain have dropped.

8:15 Sachse H.S., TX
8:30 McNeil H.S., TX
8:45 Cypress Woods H.S., TX
9:00 James Martin H.S., TX
9:15 Liberty H.S., TX

9:30 Break

10:00 Robinson H.S., TX
10:15 Round Rock H.S., TX
10:30 Pflugerville H.S., TX
10:45 Lehman H.S., TX
11:00 Southwest H.S., TX
11:15 Anderson H.S., TX
11:30 Waxahachie H.S., TX

11:45 Lunch

12:45 Berkner H.S., TX
1:00 Westlake H.S., TX
1:15 Centennial H.S., TX
1:30 Dripping Springs H.S., TX
1:45 Cedar Park H.S., TX
2:00 Cypress Falls H.S., TX
2:15 Westwood H.S., TX

2:30 Break

3:00 Azle H.S., TX
3:15 Marcus H.S., TX
3:30 Wakeland H.S., TX
3:45 Hendrickson H.S., TX
4:00 Waller H.S., TX
4:15 North Shore Senior H.S., TX

4:45 Prelims Awards Ceremony

 

Music: Randy Greenwell, Andy Sealy, Vince Tornello, Ken Turner

Visual: Curtis Costanza, Randy Nelson, Lindsey Vento
Chief Judge: Richard Saucedo

[whitewing09]

Looks like Cedar Park and Round Rock will duke it out for champion. Interestingly, they are probably the two most storied bands to have never won a regional, both having placed in the top 5 at gnats in relatively recent history.  Maybe Hendrickson can dark horse it and surprise us. Rock underwent design change and Henny had a major director change...things have been quiet... The suspense is killing me. Otherwise I'm excited to see what Northshore will bring. 

[justabandkid94]

Marcus?

[Hard Core Band Fan]

Looks like Cedar Park and Round Rock will duke it out for champion. Interestingly, they are probably the two most storied bands to have never won a regional, both having placed in the top 5 at gnats in relatively recent history.  Maybe Hendrickson can dark horse it and surprise us. Rock underwent design change and Henny had a major director change...things have been quiet... The suspense is killing me. Otherwise I'm excited to see what Northshore will bring. 

 

Well, technically Round Rock did win BOA Austin a few years back and lost due to a 1.5 point penalty that was a simple mistake by the head director. As far the actual performance, they did win that day. North Shore beat Round Rock at state in 2016, so who knows.

[whitewing09]

Well, technically Round Rock did win BOA Austin a few years back and lost due to a 1.5 point penalty that was a simple mistake by the head director. As far the actual performance, they did win that day. North Shore beat Round Rock at state in 2016, so who knows.

 

Technically Round Rock won, but they actually got 3rd. North Shore did indeed beat Rock Rock in 2016 at UIL State, but the relationships between UIL success and BOA success tends to go the other direction; Bands that do better at BOA tend to do better at UIL. 

 

 

 

Marcus?

 

Rumor has it, they're having a rough transition after Drinkwater's promotion.

[Hard Core Band Fan]

Technically Round Rock won, but they actually got 3rd. North Shore did indeed beat Rock Rock in 2016 at UIL State, but the relationships between UIL success and BOA success tends to go the other direction; Bands that do better at BOA tend to do better at UIL. 

 

I'm well aware of the differences between UIL and BOA, but on that day, North Shore was ahead enough that it wouldn't have made any difference where they were. The margin was significant. Also, my observation over the last decade or so is the difference between BOA and UIL is narrowing. To me, the biggest difference now is the scoring system. UIL's antiquated scoring system needs to be scrapped and replaced with something more relevant and manageable. Hope I live long enough to see that!

[whitewing09]

I'm well aware of the differences between UIL and BOA, but on that day, North Shore was ahead enough that it wouldn't have made any difference where they were. The margin was significant. Also, my observation over the last decade or so is the difference between BOA and UIL is narrowing. To me, the biggest difference now is the scoring system. UIL's antiquated scoring system needs to be scrapped and replaced with something more relevant and manageable. Hope I live long enough to see that!

I definitely agree the the differences are narrowing, insofar as bands that are successful at BOA are having more success at UIL. They aren’t converging; UIL is conforming. CTJ is a great example of this, which is why I mentioned the relationship is inidirectional. Some bands are good at doing both like FloMo 2016. This is a trend that’s become more obviously in the past decade.

 

What you don’t see is very traditionally UIL shows (e.g. duncanville until very recently, coppell several years ago, and North Shore now) doing amazingly in BOA. Heck even in 2016 Bell failed to make finals at BOASA, while round rock was safely in. However, Bell managed to stay ahead of both Round Rock and NorthShore at UIL, which is more execution focused.

 

Just from that evidence alone, I’m not convinced that North Shore could have made finals at BOA SA. Their show wasn’t design as a BOA show and their execution wasn’t enough to beat bell who Round Rock handily beat at SA. From a video I saw earlier, it’s hard for me to imagine that North Shores priority isn’t to make UIL state finals.

 

I’ll be happy for them to prove me wrong! But, it just doesn’t seem probable.

[herbaflerb]

Looks like Cedar Park and Round Rock will duke it out for champion. Interestingly, they are probably the two most storied bands to have never won a regional, both having placed in the top 5 at gnats in relatively recent history.  Maybe Hendrickson can dark horse it and surprise us. Rock underwent design change and Henny had a major director change...things have been quiet... The suspense is killing me. Otherwise I'm excited to see what Northshore will bring. 

 

Bands seem to be on lockdown this year. Barely any rumors squeak out, and the ones that do are promptly deleted.

[aaron067]

Rumor has it, they're having a rough transition after Drinkwater's promotion.

 

We played Marcus last week.  It seems like they've got the same style of show as usual, and they still sound great.  My understanding (but I'm not certain) is they've learned their entire show, though they didn't perform all of it during halftime.  That would constitute a significant departure from their traditional learning sequence and could be the reason why some people might think they're having a rough time.  It's still early though, and they have plenty of time to clean before Waco.  

[Hard Core Band Fan]

Bands seem to be on lockdown this year. Barely any rumors squeak out, and the ones that do are promptly deleted.

 

Sometimes we are just trying not to ruin the surprise!

[Koop]

Any thoughts on McNeil? They did pretty well last year considering where they were before.

[Dog885]

Any thoughts on McNeil? They did pretty well last year considering where they were before.

Do you mean at Midland? The last time there was a regional at Waco was in the 90's

[LeanderMomma]

Do you mean at Midland? The last time there was a regional at Waco was in the 90's

I think he's asking in this thread because McNeil is signed up for BOA Waco this year. I'll be curious to see them myself!

[Dog885]

I think he's asking in this thread because McNeil is signed up for BOA Waco this year. I'll be curious to see them myself!

Oh yeah, I guess I just read it wrong.

[UTM]

That third block is exciting