Area B 2018

[BOAHEB]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:18 PM, AbcBand2019 said:

With that run they had, I give them 6th maybe even 5th. My big problem with a lot of these higher up bands is that they all never march and play. It is park and bark at every full ensemble moment. Then a majority of the upper bands will just abuse one soloist and a few members to create a small ensemble that play the whole time rather than it being a full band effort. It’s marching band not stand still and play band. It’s a BAND not marching small quintet

Have you even watched Keller or Coppell?

[AbcBand2019]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:22 PM, BOAHEB said:

 

Have you even watched Keller or Coppell?

I respect those bands, my comment is more targeted towards duncanville and LD Bell

[BandFriendzz]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:18 PM, AbcBand2019 said:

 

With that run they had, I give them 6th maybe even 5th. My big problem with a lot of these higher up bands is that they all never march and play. It is park and bark at every full ensemble moment. Then a majority of the upper bands will just abuse one soloist and a few members to create a small ensemble that play the whole time rather than it being a full band effort. It’s marching band not stand still and play band. It’s a BAND not marching small quintet

I do agree with the not matching and playing . Bands like coppelll, haltom , Mansfield and Keller all are able to match and play beautifully. I did realize that bands like Waxahachie, bell , prosper and duncanville all sort of march and then stop and play really loud . I will agree on that but I don’t think mainsfield got screwed . I would of placed them 9th and no higher .

[AbcBand2019]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:30 PM, BandFriendzz said:

 

I do agree with the not matching and playing . Bands like coppelll, haltom , Mansfield and Keller all are able to match and play beautifully. I did realize that bands like Waxahachie, bell , prosper and duncanville all sort of march and then stop and play really loud . I will agree on that but I don’t think mainsfield got screwed . I would of placed them 9th and no higher .

I can respect that, I’m not associated with Mansfield. I just always enjoy their programs. Glad you agree with me about the other thing though

[BandoFando]

I actually think Keller and Waxa marched and played the most. Simultaneous demand is a good thing and it set them apart. Coppell had a good mix albeit they did sound noticeably better standing still. It’s pretty glaring that Bell rarely marched and played at the same time.

[brassclass]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:29 PM, AbcBand2019 said:

I respect those bands, my comment is more targeted towards duncanville and LD Bell

Umm I march the Duncanville drill and I guess I’m clearly marching a different show than you’re describing....

[BOAHEB]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:36 PM, BandoFando said:

 

I actually think Keller and Waxa marched and played the most. Simultaneous demand is a good thing and it set them apart. Coppell had a good mix albeit they did sound noticeably better standing still. It’s pretty glaring that Bell rarely marched and played at the same time.

Uhhhhhhh waxa hardly marched and played from what I saw, it was all, put a foot on this bench, play, take foot off of bench, horns down, march, repeat

[BandFriendzz]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:39 PM, brassclass said:

 

Umm I march the Duncanville drill and I guess I’m clearly marching a different show than you’re describing....

I watched the duncanville show and he’s describing the right show.

[josephbandfan]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:18 PM, AbcBand2019 said:

With that run they had, I give them 6th maybe even 5th. My big problem with a lot of these higher up bands is that they all never march and play. It is park and bark at every full ensemble moment. Then a majority of the upper bands will just abuse one soloist and a few members to create a small ensemble that play the whole time rather than it being a full band effort. It’s marching band not stand still and play band. It’s a BAND not marching small quintet

I hadn't seen Mansfield until Saturday and I was pleasantly surprised. But I did not have them higher than 9th.

[BandoFando]

I think Keller and Waxa set themselves apart with the difficulty of their show, especially musically. On the live blog I think they said Keller started the show with 2+ minutes left on the clock. That’s a long show. A 10 minute show. Keller and Waxahachie were achieving really hard music which takes a lot of stamina. And I think it’s not about marching vs. standing still. It’s about how well can you move and play. Keller and Waxa moved and payed better then everyone else with harder music which set them apart.

[Tyreid1]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:18 PM, AbcBand2019 said:

With that run they had, I give them 6th maybe even 5th. My big problem with a lot of these higher up bands is that they all never march and play. It is park and bark at every full ensemble moment. Then a majority of the upper bands will just abuse one soloist and a few members to create a small ensemble that play the whole time rather than it being a full band effort. It’s marching band not stand still and play band. It’s a BAND not marching small quintet

I agree with this, however, if you read a judges sheet marching and playing only counts for points under the drill section. Marching and playing for the most part are not judged together, therefore, whether a band is marching and playing or not does not matter as much, what matters is the execution of them separately.

[Bass2Bass]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:45 PM, BandFriendzz said:

I watched the duncanville show and he’s describing the right show.

I have to disagree. Yes, there are quite a few points in the show where the band stops and plays, but literally the entirety of the ballad hit is playing/ dynamic shaping and marching various formations. It's not the most difficult show by any means, but to describe the whole show like that is a bit of an exaggeration.

[Bandouts149]

  On 10/29/2018 at 6:01 PM, Tyreid1 said:

 

I agree with this, however, if you read a judges sheet marching and playing only counts for points under the drill section. Marching and playing for the most part are not judged together, therefore, whether a band is marching and playing or not does not matter as much, what matters is the execution of them separately.

That’s the sad truth... Duncanville sounded great, but they were more “band” than marching. IMO, I feel like Timbercreek should’ve taken 5th place, because they had the best of both worlds. At the end of the day, all 3 of the music judges preferred Duncanville musically, and that is what stands.

[Brassy]

WOW, Waxahachie is known for playing ridiculously difficult music and marching at the same time. The program has a philosophy that kids should move and play. I’m almost certain that except at only a couple hits, at least part of the kids march in the entire show. Good Lord, some of those poor kids low crawl half way across the field, stand up and play. This thread needs to be deleted. FYI, the Waxahachie kids will tell you Keller beat them fair and square, regardless of what UIL says. They also felt bad for Timbercreek because in 2009 they missed state because of the scores of one judge and have heard this story numerous times. Hachie staff helped Ducanville with their sound board. I hope UIL never looks like BOA because it isn’t about the music as much as the extravagant.show. Stop whining it doesn’t reflect you or your band in a good light. We will see how all this pans out at state with brand new judges. Good luck to all Area B bands.

[Bandozer]

So many salty people...

 

Unfortunately marching band can only be judged based on opinion. It's not an activity where distance can be measured, or goals can be scored. It's judges who have a rubric and they score using their opinion on who best fits the criteria. It's not a perfect system, but it is what it is. A judge can be looking at side one and totally miss the hardest drill move on side two. Or they can miss a kid falling over. They can miss a musical tear because they don't know the music. Or they can even not understand how difficult a part of a show is. It happens all the time, even in DCI (I would argue it happens more in DCI, because the judges know every corps and have more biases).

 

If there had been different judges, it could have gone another way. But those judges judged the way that they felt was correct. If you're upset, I understand. I've been on both extremes. But you can't base your season or happiness on the opinions of 5 people. You'll never enjoy the activity if you do. You need to judge your success on how you felt about your performance. Trust me, having an amazing performance is much more fulfilling than coming in first place.

[Knf102577]

  On 10/29/2018 at 6:52 PM, Brassy said:

 

WOW, Waxahachie is known for playing ridiculously difficult music and marching at the same time. The program has a philosophy that kids should move and play. I’m almost certain that except at only a couple hits, at least part of the kids march in the entire show. Good Lord, some of those poor kids low crawl half way across the field, stand up and play. This thread needs to be deleted. FYI, the Waxahachie kids will tell you Keller beat them fair and square, regardless of what UIL says. They also felt bad for Timbercreek because in 2009 they missed state because of the scores of one judge and have heard this story numerous times. Hachie staff helped Ducanville with their sound board. I hope UIL never looks like BOA because it isn’t about the music as much as the extravagant.show. Stop whining it doesn’t reflect you or your band in a good light. We will see how all this pans out at state with brand new judges. Good luck to all Area B bands.

[Knf102577]

Well said!!!

[brassclass]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:00 PM, Bandozer said:

Trust me, having an amazing performance is much more fulfilling than coming in first place.

I love this statement on so many levels.

[Trumpetman7]

  On 10/29/2018 at 6:11 PM, Bandouts149 said:

That’s the sad truth... Duncanville sounded great, but they were more “band” than marching. IMO, I feel like Timbercreek should’ve taken 5th place, because they had the best of both worlds. At the end of the day, all 3 of the music judges preferred Duncanville musically, and that is what stands.

Honestly it really looked like Timber was marching and playing the whole time. Also those tempos in their opener and closer were crazy, some of the fastest tempos there

[Bandozer]

Also, judges have no idea who's show is harder most of the time. They're looking for cleanliness, and a small part of their judgment comes down to difficulty when all of the top groups do difficult stuff. "Park and bark" is a common complaint in the band world but every single band does it. Some more than others. In DCI, everyone complains that The Blue Devils park and bark, but they've won more than everyone else. In the DCI percussion world, groups started uploading "learn the music" videos where the music is on the screen. These corps aren't really doing it for fans. I know for a fact that groups upload these videos for the judges so the judge can see just how hard a passage or feature is. Everyone knows that the better you can play something, the easier it looks. So a lot of these groups weren't getting credit because they made the music look easy.

 

My point is, maybe Timber Creek's show is harder than Duncanville's. Maybe LD Bell's show was the hardest show on the field. Maybe the top 10 should have been much different. I have no idea. But judges cannot judge on "what if's" or "I think this show is a bit harder". They're mostly juding on cleanliness. You can disagree with the judges, but they have to judge what they see and think. They cannot make assumptions on difficulty when the shows are relatively close difficulty wise. Especially when every show is so different.

 

The only true way to make UIL 100% fair would be to cap the number of marching members and make every band learn the exact same show. But obviously that will never happen.

 

And remember, it's just band. Being hateful and bitter towards other groups won't help anything. Be positive and support everyone, because every band, student, parent, and staff member is doing their best and working their hardest.

[LostChoirGuy]

Can we just say how amazing it is that this thread has as many replies at is does and is still going strong?

[Trumpetman7]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:36 PM, Bandozer said:

Also, judges have no idea who's show is harder most of the time. They're looking for cleanliness, and a small part of their judgment comes down to difficulty when all of the top groups do difficult stuff. "Park and bark" is a common complaint in the band world but every single band does it. Some more than others. In DCI, everyone complains that The Blue Devils park and bark, but they've won more than everyone else. In the DCI percussion world, groups started uploading "learn the music" videos where the music is on the screen. These corps aren't really doing it for fans. I know for a fact that groups upload these videos for the judges so the judge can see just how hard a passage or feature is. Everyone knows that the better you can play something, the easier it looks. So a lot of these groups weren't getting credit because they made the music look easy.

 

My point is, maybe Timber Creek's show is harder than Duncanville's. Maybe LD Bell's show was the hardest show on the field. Maybe the top 10 should have been much different. I have no idea. But judges cannot judge on "what if's" or "I think this show is a bit harder". They're mostly juding on cleanliness. You can disagree with the judges, but they have to judge what they see and think. They cannot make assumptions on difficulty when the shows are relatively close difficulty wise. Especially when every show is so different.

 

The only true way to make UIL 100% fair would be to cap the number of marching members and make every band learn the exact same show. But obviously that will never happen.

 

And remember, it's just band. Being hateful and bitter towards other groups won't help anything. Be positive and support everyone, because every band, student, parent, and staff member is doing their best and working their hardest.

That’s a fair point

[eeman0201]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:37 PM, LostChoirGuy said:

 

Can we just say how amazing it is that this thread has as many replies at is does and is still going strong?

Anyone know who won area b food?

[Bandisdope]

  On 10/29/2018 at 5:53 PM, BandoFando said:

I think Keller and Waxa set themselves apart with the difficulty of their show, especially musically. On the live blog I think they said Keller started the show with 2+ minutes left on the clock. That’s a long show. A 10 minute show. Keller and Waxahachie were achieving really hard music which takes a lot of stamina. And I think it’s not about marching vs. standing still. It’s about how well can you move and play. Keller and Waxa moved and payed better then everyone else with harder music which set them apart.

I think musically Coppell and Keller had a pretty crazy hard show. Double tounging at 170 on a trumpet/mellophone isn't easy, even for the best in the world. Waxahachie I didn't think had a show as challenging, but definitely executed it at a really high level. 

 

I think most of the results were about right, but you have to feel for Timber Creek, being the alternate 2 times in a row. I look forward to seeing most of these bands perform at BOA San Antonio, so here are my personal predictions just for BOA SA. 

 

BOA SA

1. Keller

2. Coppell

3. LD Bell

4. Prosper

5. Timber Creek

6. Haltom

 

I don't really see anyone making BOA SA Finals from this area except for Keller and maybe Coppell/Prosper (good performance time?). Even Coppell/Prosper is fairly low, as Coppell doesn't bode well at BOA, and Prosper is still on the rise. 

[BandFriendzz]

  On 10/29/2018 at 7:40 PM, eeman0201 said:

Anyone know who won area b food?

Chick fil a.

Second was whata

And earning the bronze was I hop