2019 BOA San Antonio

[An Inspirational Pinecone]

  On 10/9/2019 at 5:37 PM, banddad84 said:

 

I doubt that

All depends on how well they do at the Lonestar Preview as it'll be their first competition (at least I THINK it will be). If they show up and score anything above a 90 then they'll have a good shot at making finals, not to mention that it was only three years ago that they made finals at UIL State (Different contest, I know, but still impressive!).

[SATXBandDad]

I like to think of it like the NFL playoffs. You’ll always have your powerhouse teams (Patriots = FloMo) that will be a lock for finals. Then you’ll have “usual” division winners (Seahawks = Reagan). Then there’s the switch up of your wild cards. That’s where it gets interesting and will be exciting to see who’s this year’s wildcard. And just like the NFL, anyone can beat anyone. Show up and play your best.

[LeanderMomma]

I remember a time when FloMo wasn't even in the conversation.  Now we just all automatically assume they will win SA and GN (if they were to attend).  Funny how things ebb and flow in Texas.  I don't see that same ebb and flow in Indiana as much, though.  Seems as if Carmel and Avon have been on top for decades.  

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/9/2019 at 7:46 PM, Avisshadow said:

TWHSParent is among those here that always has well thought out and logical comments; I’m a fan.

 

Anywho, I agree with their comment about people not putting BOA Houston in consideration. Obviously the area has less BOA SA finals “locks” than the other cities in Texas (only having The Woodlands) but their “bubble” bands are just as relevant and talented as the other areas. People seem to disregard them just because they’re from Houston.

 

If we look at Finals from the last 5 years of BOA S.A. and UIL 6A, only 3 Houston area schools show up.

2014 - BOA - TWHS

2014 - UIL - TWHS

2015 - BOA - TWHS

2016 - BOA - Cy-Falls, TWHS

2016 - UIL - TWHS, North Shore

2017 - BOA - TWHS

2018 - BOA - TWHS

2018 - UIL - TWHS

 

I think people recognize the pattern and are understandably dubious until it breaks.

[LHSbandDad]

  On 10/9/2019 at 12:23 PM, TrebleMaker2 said:

There sure are a lot of LISD bands in one block- coincidental I am sure but still strange.

How about all six LISD bands on Friday evening!!??!!   Talk about some quiet half-times at football games in LISD!! :- )

• 5:00 Vandegrift H.S., TX
• 5:15 Leander H.S., TX
• 5:30 Vista Ridge H.S., TX
• 6:00 Cedar Park H.S., TX
• 8:45 Rouse H.S., TX
• 9:30 Tom Glenn H.S., TX

[TWHSParent]

  On 10/9/2019 at 7:55 PM, Samuel Culper said:

If we look at Finals from the last 5 years of BOA S.A. and UIL 6A, only 3 Houston area schools show up.

2014 - BOA - TWHS

2014 - UIL - TWHS

2015 - BOA - TWHS

2016 - BOA - Cy-Falls, TWHS

2016 - UIL - TWHS, North Shore

2017 - BOA - TWHS

2018 - BOA - TWHS

2018 - UIL - TWHS

 

I think people recognize the pattern and are understandably dubious until it breaks.

 

I don't think that is what is at the heart of the discussion. Look at non-heavy hitters that come from Austin, San Antonio, and DFW and attend Houston - they typically are unable to make their way into finals. For every Vandegrift, Leander, James Bowie, CTJ, Reagan, etc. that come here, take a look at Richland, O'Connor, Pflugerville from this year, that have good shows, but end up in the high teens/low 20's at this contest. I think Richland would have been closer to finals at DFW this year, and maybe would have snagged a spot. So the big hitters have nothing to worry about, but any band that is 1 tier down is going to be in a massive donnybrook (think I used that term before the contest - still seems right) for finals. And we have a tendency to focus on the stars, and not pay as much attention to the next set of bands that are just waiting for their moment to shine. And Houston has more of those bands than any other region, perhaps in the entire country.

 

But really, to be honest, lets address the elephant in the room - there is a sense of disbelief about how much Westwood improved week to week that is coloring how people are viewing the Houston contest this year, and I think, after watching them live and on Flo, that disbelief is not warranted. On October 5th, Westwood scored a completely earned 85.025. That score was not too high for their performance (not going to quibble about tenths of a point). Does that mean they will make finals in SA? No, but they are now on that track to get those 5 points to break 90, which seems to be necessary, but not always sufficient (LD Bell 2017). What do they have left in that show to get there? None of us know. But I would not be surprised if they, at worst, are top 20 with a score around 88 or so. And I think that is the worst case. But again, that is my opinion, and I've been wrong many, many times. But don't be surprised if the top 4 from Houston do very, very well for themselves later in the season. And I'm not slighting Clear Brook (or Pearland) - they have a full show, and will absolutely be bringing that up, but I think they'll top out in the 85-87 range. That makes finals at any other super regional but San Antonio.

 

Note, I'm not trained in anything musically/artistically, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it!

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/9/2019 at 8:09 PM, LHSbandDad said:

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How about all six LISD bands on Friday evening!!??!! Talk about some quiet half-times at football games in LISD!! :- )

• 5:00 Vandegrift H.S., TX
• 5:15 Leander H.S., TX
• 5:30 Vista Ridge H.S., TX
• 6:00 Cedar Park H.S., TX
• 8:45 Rouse H.S., TX
• 9:30 Tom Glenn H.S., TX

It's Vista's bye week, so that helps.

[LeanderMomma]

  On 10/9/2019 at 8:09 PM, LHSbandDad said:

 

How about all six LISD bands on Friday evening!!??!!   Talk about some quiet half-times at football games in LISD!! :- )

• 5:00 Vandegrift H.S., TX
• 5:15 Leander H.S., TX
• 5:30 Vista Ridge H.S., TX
• 6:00 Cedar Park H.S., TX
• 8:45 Rouse H.S., TX
• 9:30 Tom Glenn H.S., TX

 

I wonder if they'll have some MS bands come fill in again.  

[LHSax]

Houston bands didn't really do themselves many favors to build confidence with the TXBands fanbase to start the year, as even with their best chance at a non-Woodlands Houston band taking a BOA medal since TWCP in 2014 (someone can correct me if I'm wrong there), they still all finished behind the smaller than typical contingency of Austin/SA bands. The fact that the 10th place band from BOA Austin finished 3rd in Houston, doesn't help rally the confidence (and that's not to take anything away from Westwood btw, they're having a fantastic year). 

 

Houston has a lot of really good bands, I don't want anyone to feel like I'm bashing Houston. But as has been noted, the best of the Houston bands (besides the Woodlands) have trended to finish in the 18-30 range at SA, and based on early results, they don't seem to have a standout group this year to go all in on. Maybe a hero will emerge though?

 

EDIT: As I typed that, TWHSParent posted a great counter-point, which is just as valid as my perspective! 

[TWHSParent]

  On 10/9/2019 at 8:53 PM, LHSax said:

Houston bands didn't really do themselves many favors to build confidence with the TXBands fanbase to start the year, as even with their best chance at a non-Woodlands Houston band taking a BOA medal since TWCP in 2014 (someone can correct me if I'm wrong there), they still all finished behind the smaller than typical contingency of Austin/SA bands. The fact that the 10th place band from BOA Austin finished 3rd in Houston, doesn't help rally the confidence (and that's not to take anything away from Westwood btw, they're having a fantastic year). 

 

Houston has a lot of really good bands, I don't want anyone to feel like I'm bashing Houston. But as has been noted, the best of the Houston bands (besides the Woodlands) have trended to finish in the 18-30 range at SA, and based on early results, they don't seem to have a standout group this year to go all in on. Maybe a hero will emerge though?

 

That has never been my point - I'm not and have not been stating that any of the Houston bands is going to crash the party. I honestly didn't see anything this past weekend that would indicate that. I did see shows that, if the design teams build on what they have this year and add demand, could turn into special programs. But those shows are not here yet, and those schools need some stability and tenacity to weather the ups and downs. Pearland, Seven Lakes, Oak Ridge are programs that are pushing against the ceiling they are currently under. Clear Brook is up and down - they create fun, well themed shows (at least on non-UIL years), but they don't have the demand necessary to compete for San Antonio finals. But I really enjoy what they have on offer!. JET has been pretty consistent, but I don't notice that they are being anything but consistent, which is itself an achievement (consistency is under-rated). Cy-Fair dropped this year after pushing hard to bridge the gap to TWHS, and maybe they push back up again. I'm sure I'm not mentioning many schools (Yes, I saw you Tompkins!), but I don't need to in order to try to clarify my point.

 

I'll be honest - I would much rather see a contest that has 25 bands that are good, with maybe 4 or so "great" bands, than a contest that is the same old, same old. If there is a churn of finalists, that really gives all the really good, but not great, bands something to push for, and rewards their hard work. Anyway that is a preference, and it doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching the great bands - that is what San Antonio is all about and it also has dozens of good to really good bands to boot. So Houston is a mini San Antonio in cross section in my view. Hmm, something like a double-stuff Oreo? A little crunchy on the top and bottom, but with lots of tasty middle.

[Danpod]

The regular Oreo has the perfect ration of cookie to creme filling. The Double Stuf Oreos have too much creme filling. Nabisco got greedy and now, we have Swedish Fish Oreos which is basically the same thing as eating a block of arsenic.

 

Anyways, this contest is ridiculous. I will need a lot of Big Bib BBQ to get through it

[LKendrick]

  On 10/9/2019 at 9:21 PM, Danpod said:

The Double Stuf Oreos have too much creme filling.

Thems fightin words

[LivLikLarry]

  On 10/9/2019 at 8:53 PM, LHSax said:

Houston bands didn't really do themselves many favors to build confidence with the TXBands fanbase to start the year, as even with their best chance at a non-Woodlands Houston band taking a BOA medal since TWCP in 2014 (someone can correct me if I'm wrong there), they still all finished behind the smaller than typical contingency of Austin/SA bands. The fact that the 10th place band from BOA Austin finished 3rd in Houston, doesn't help rally the confidence (and that's not to take anything away from Westwood btw, they're having a fantastic year).

 

Houston has a lot of really good bands, I don't want anyone to feel like I'm bashing Houston. But as has been noted, the best of the Houston bands (besides the Woodlands) have trended to finish in the 18-30 range at SA, and based on early results, they don't seem to have a standout group this year to go all in on. Maybe a hero will emerge though?

 

EDIT: As I typed that, TWHSParent posted a great counter-point, which is just as valid as my perspective!

I know 2017, their second year at SA, Pearland was able to increase their score 9.575 points from a 78.275 at Conroe to a 87.850 at SA. And that 87.850 actually got them 17th. Just looking back from 2016 SA to 2017 SA, it looked like Pearland had something to prove and it led to a increase in 11 spots. Last year 2018 SA Pearland got 25th. At Houston this year they got a score of 82.4 and look like they have something to prove again. If they increase by 9.575 points again that would be enough to get them into finals this year. Like Daniel says, Pearland keeps on getting underscored.

[TWHSParent]

  On 10/9/2019 at 9:36 PM, LivLikLarry said:

I know 2017, their second year at SA, Pearland was able to increase their score 9.575 points from a 78.275 at Conroe to a 87.850 at SA. And that 87.850 actually got them 17th. Just looking back from 2016 SA to 2017 SA, it looked like Pearland had something to prove and it led to a increase in 11 spots. Last year 2018 SA Pearland got 25th. At Houston this year they got a score of 82.4 and look like they have something to prove again. If they increase by 9.575 points again that would be enough to get them into finals this year. Like Daniel says, Pearland keeps on getting underscored.

 

I love the ending of Pearland's show this year. The counter-rotating rectangles that contract, rotate again, then contract into a full band square,then spreads out into the push to the finale. Great stuff!

[Magma31651]

  On 10/9/2019 at 9:21 PM, Danpod said:

Nabisco got greedy and now, we have Swedish Fish Oreos which is basically the same thing as eating a block of arsenic.

Not even gonna ask how you know what arsenic tastes like

[Danpod]

  On 10/9/2019 at 10:20 PM, Magma31651 said:

Not even gonna ask how you know what arsenic tastes like

Whew good.

[northtexasbandfan]

  On 10/9/2019 at 7:49 PM, SATXBandDad said:

 

(Patriots = FloMo).

No no no no ... no ... as a FloMo alumni parent and a Patriots hater .... just no. (OK I can kind of understand that perspective, though).

[DeepEllum]

So if...

 

Patriots= FloMo

Seahawks = Reagan

 

then

 

Rams = Vista Ridge (rising out nowhere to stardom and relatively “young” (on the elite marching scene) but steadily getting better)

 

Packers= The Woodlands (once super on top and still good but looking to return to their eliteness by switching it up this year (new head coach=sailor uniforms?)

 

Eagles = CTJ (consistently good and capable of winning titles while also tending to be the best performers and capable of coming up with so many new things (philly special))

 

Cowboys = Marcus (they won a lot back in the day and they always seem to be doing really well and in finals and resurgent as of late)

 

Who is Leander? Hebron? Vandy?

 

Am I too off topic? Just cool to find parallels

[LeanderMomma]

Leander = Minnesota Vikings (always the bridesmaid and never the bride)

 

The Vikings have played in Super Bowls IV, VIII, IX, and XI, though failing to win any of them. In addition, they have lost in their last six NFC Championship Game appearances since 1978. (Info taken from Wikipedia).

[DeepEllum]

^I think Hebron could fall under that too. Or maybe moreso the Bills (losing 4 Super Bowls in a row and having to live in the same “district” as the ever winning Pats)

[justabandkid94]

Hebron might as well be the picture next to “bridesmaid” in the dictionary at this point lol

[Nny14]

Yeah I think Hebron would be the Vikings. The Vikings have the highest win percentage of any team to not yet win the Super Bowl. And I think most would agree Hebron is the most successful band to not have won a super regional/grand nationals.

[Nny14]

Keller would be the Lions. Not so great in the past put have put together something to have some success pretty soon.

[Nny14]

I think The Woodlands would be more like the Seahawks. Had a really dominant year where they won it all in 2013, and early on can seem like a mess but put it together at the end to become a top contender.

[principalagent]

Leander is definitely the Chiefs. Long history, but now a young, upstart, innovative team with a lot of flash and generally strong performance that came on the scene with a bang and showed staying power since. Still hasn’t brought home the biggest brass yet though.