BOA Waco 2019

[atxbands7]

  On 10/20/2019 at 5:14 AM, El Gato_01 said:

they are up. 

Thats weird. I refreshed it multiple times and I only see the Quick Recap. I don't think they did.

[BandFan95]

They are up on the main Waco page.

 

Hendrickson finished 17th in prelims? Wow

[BandFan95]

Prelims https://marching.musicforall.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2019/02/2019-Waco-Prelims-RECAP.pdf

[youcansound]

here is cuttofs for the finals:

 

10: Richland 75.500

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11: Lake Ridge 75.650

12: W.E Boswell 74.700

13:Mansfield 74.575

14: Forney 74.400

[BlueCircle]

  On 10/20/2019 at 5:00 AM, josephbandfan said:

This has been my favorite contest that I’ve attended this year. Really enjoyed the stadium, how it frames the field, cushioned seats and cup holders! I also agree with the captions but not the score gap between top 2. Also, 85 sounds a little low for Keller this late in the season right?

Scores are really low @ DFW and Waco compared to other competitions and compared to last year. Keller scored an 85.50 in DFW prelims last year. But they scored over Bell by a decent amount this year at DFW so I don’t think they are struggling at all. And I think that they have a ton of room left to grow.

[BlueCircle]

  On 10/20/2019 at 7:11 AM, Asaiah said:

I thought scores were all relative, or do BOA judges have some sort of rubric they go by?

Scores are relative, judges are more focused on ordering the bands rather than giving them a specific score. A specific score doesn’t hold the same meaning year to year.

[LostChoirGuy]

Well, while you shouldnt compare scores between regionals because there are prone to be some differences due to the competition and trying to order bands correctly, scores still have a relative meaning. This is how superior ratings are given at UIL and contests that do things like that. Judges know roughly what might be deserving of a 15.0 in a caption as opposed to a 16.0 or 17.0 and should hopwfully stay pretty close to that.

[littlejaw]

This was the week that Keller finally put the closer on the field right?

[BlueCircle]

  On 10/20/2019 at 1:15 PM, littlejaw said:

 

This was the week that Keller finally put the closer on the field right?

Probably, or it definitely seemed like it. There’s a video out there from prelims. The closer is really dirty, especially visually. But the 1 minute trombone octet accompanying the band there at the end while the drill and music is insane is probably up there as one of my favorite moments of the year.

[mmbandfan]

  On 10/19/2019 at 8:43 PM, LostChoirGuy said:

It really felt like attending a concert band concert in a football stadium. They sounded so nice and pretty! Haha and great soloists! I would love to see them attend some more BOA events.

 

 

  On 10/19/2019 at 8:40 PM, A Testing Trumpet said:

J.J. Pierce absolutely stole my heart with that show. I hope they do more BOA in the future!!! 

As a Pearce parent I can say after last night's experience we will definitely be attending more BOA events in future years! This was kind of a trial run for us in becoming more active competitively.

[BlueCircle]

Everything about Pearce’s show was absolutely beautiful! Y’all should be proud!

[josephbandfan]

Did anyone see how they cleaned up the leaves? I forgot to look.

[principalagent]

  On 10/20/2019 at 6:05 PM, josephbandfan said:

Did anyone see how they cleaned up the leaves? I forgot to look.

They just hustled like heck to pick them all up when the show was over. I was impressed!

[LostChoirGuy]

Yeah, it seemed like every band member in the area got down and grabbed as many as they could find.

[Dog885]

Yeah, a bunch of us were worried for them when they threw the leaves during prelims, especially when the wind moved a couple. Glad they managed to get them all

[itzjayce4]

I’m not sure if everyone got the opportunity to see the entirety of the scores, so here’s prelims and finals.

 

-prelims-

1. James Bowie HS - 85.900

2. Keller HS - 84.175

3. Waxahachie HS - 83.175

4. James Martin HS - 82.200

5. Seven Lakes HS - 81.850

6. Aledo HS - 81.200

7. Dripping Springs HS - 80.000

8. Burleson Centennial HS - 78.950

9. J.J. Pearce HS - 76.650

10. Richland HS - 75.900

11. Lake Ridge HS - 75.650

12. W.E. Boswell HS - 74.700

13. Mansfield HS - 74.575

14. Forney HS - 74.400

15. Sachse HS - 74.200

16. North Mesquite HS - 73.300

17. Robert E. Hendrickson HS - 72.850

18. Duncanville HS - 72.150

19. Jack C. Hays HS - 69.875

20. North Garland HS - 69.700

21. Anderson HS - 69.200

22. Magnolia HS - 69.150

23. Lakeview Centennial HS - 67.250

24. W. Charles Akins HS - 66.600

25. John Horn HS - 66.050

26. South Grand Prarie HS - 65.100

27. Cleburne HS - 64.900

28. Lamar HS - 62.950

29. Robinson HS - 60.350

 

 

-finals-

1. James Bowie HS - 87.450

2. Keller HS - 85.600

3. Waxahachie HS - 84.300

4. James Martin HS - 84.000

5. Seven Lakes HS - 82.925

6. Aledo HS - 80.850

7. Burleson Centennial HS - 79.000

8. Dripping Springs HS - 78.800

9. J.J. Pearce HS - 77.900

10. Richland HS - 77.300

Outstanding Music Performance – Keller HS

Outstanding Visual Performance – James Bowie HS

Outstanding General Effect – James Bowie HS

[mmbandfan]

  On 10/20/2019 at 6:35 PM, LostChoirGuy said:

Yeah, it seemed like every band member in the area got down and grabbed as many as they could find.

 

 

  On 10/20/2019 at 6:05 PM, josephbandfan said:

Did anyone see how they cleaned up the leaves? I forgot to look.

 

 

  On 10/20/2019 at 2:46 PM, BlueCircle said:

Everything about Pearce’s show was absolutely beautiful! Y’all should be proud!

We are all extremely proud of our group, all the more because of hardships behind the scenes. We marched both runs down several marchers including a bass drum (flu), had kids (and props) struggle with the heat, and even weathered a truck tire blowout on I-35! And yet the kids still stepped up and delivered the first BOA finals result in school history. (as far as we know) 

As for the leaves, each marcher was simply assigned a leaf "quota" to pick up and shove in their pockets! 

[SpartanBandAlum]

Is anyone else shocked by Hendrickson in 17th? I thought they were great

[BlueCircle]

Just some thoughts I wanted to get down about this weekend:

 

From 2017-2019 Bowie has continuously produced some of the most creative shows. And Then I Saw The Sky (I think that’s what it’s called?) is one of my favorite marching shows ever. I really hope to see them back in SA finals after just barely missing last year, and beating Keller is definitely a step in the right direction. I think it’s no surprise that Keller was very dirty here; that closer was insanely challenging and frankly this is their toughest show ever. Keller is notorious for a slow build. In 2015 our first full run of the show was at SA prelims. Last year, our first full run was in area prelims. So believe it or not, Keller is a bit ahead of schedule this season.

 

Also, it is extremely shocking to see Hendrickson place that low. Is the show really just not connecting with the judges or did Henny go through more major transitions?

[Jeffrey L. Gorman]

  On 10/20/2019 at 9:32 PM, BlueCircle said:

Just some thoughts I wanted to get down about this weekend:

 

From 2017-2019 Bowie has continuously produced some of the most creative shows. And Then I Saw The Sky (I think that’s what it’s called?) is one of my favorite marching shows ever. I really hope to see them back in SA finals after just barely missing last year, and beating Keller is definitely a step in the right direction. I think it’s no surprise that Keller was very dirty here; that closer was insanely challenging and frankly this is their toughest show ever. Keller is notorious for a slow build. In 2015 our first full run of the show was at SA prelims. Last year, our first full run was in area prelims. So believe it or not, Keller is a bit ahead of schedule this season.

 

Also, it is extremely shocking to see Hendrickson place that low. Is the show really just not connecting with the judges or did Henny go through more major transitions?

Your question deserves a good answer.How was a Band as Good as Hendrickson given such a low score. This set me to looking at BOA scores for certain Bands this year and I dound some interesting if not confusing scores for events. For differences of scores on Bands at Two Different BOA Contests.

 Iowa Regional

1.  Blue Springs, Mo      82.856

2.  Rosemont,    MN      82.600

4. O'Fallon,         IL        79.750

 

St. Louis Super Regional

2.  Blue Springs, MO      90.720

11.Rosemont,     MN      82.975

     O'Fallon, IL                88.050

 

The question I have is how did Blue Springs jump in one month almost 8 Points. The same for O'Fallon. I have to believe that if it was because of different judges, than BOA needs to explain how Bands could jump that much at two different contests. I think the fact is that like other contests BOA judges are not always on the same sheet of music. 

[youcansound]

also factoring in Rosemount thought

Oh!!! We reached success with this! Let’s change as little as possible! While other groups had the encouragement and flair to grow! And challenge themselves!

[Samuel Culper]

I 100% believe it is complete folly to compare scores from one contest to another. The scores are not absolute. They are a tool to rank within an individual contest, with some level of relativity, WITHIN a single contest.

[Rudedog34]

  On 10/20/2019 at 8:55 PM, SpartanMarcher said:

Is anyone else shocked by Hendrickson in 17th? I thought they were great

Because Waco.

[Band_dad_of_2]

  On 10/20/2019 at 1:38 AM, LostChoirGuy said:

As a math teacher, this Dripping Springs show is making me way too excited. They've got thr Fibonacci sequence, The Golden ratio, Infinity, e, and more in their show!

 

I was told there wouldn't be math.........

[1998-2018]

In general I agree with both Jeffery and Samuel. Another recent example would be Timber Creek having a 10 point increase in the week between BOA Bedford and Midland. I think the explanation is found in their placement at the two competitions. 9th place and 2nd place performances have relative values as do the differences between the performances of the bands competing at same event, though this second part is much less reliable.

 

This also helps explain why the logic of the claim made on another forum, that a BOA Regional win is much more impressive than being the bubble band left out of Finals at another BOA competition and the HornRank Top 32 should include more bands from outside Texas, is so highly suspect. There is no persuasive evidence that simply winning a small, local BOA Regional makes you a better band than the one that finishes 15th at the BOA San Antonio Super Regional. Scores and placement require context.

 

In addition to the relative level of competition, the total number of bands at a competition drives relative scores and differentials. This accounts for the difference in Blue Spring's score at St. Louis. The other alternative is that you push down the scores at the bottom of huge competitions like San Antonio or Grand Nationals. I doubt there is much support for sending kids home from these competitions with a score in the 30's, so the top gets squeezed and tenths or even hundredths matter.

 

I would be more concerned about scores within a single event, like L.D. Bell being .1 point behind Keller in Prelims and more than 5 points behind Keller in Finals at BOA Bedford. I'd like to know how the runs were different enough to support that. Or why this weekend at BOA Waco Dripping Springs' Individual Music placement was 12th and Ensemble Music placement was 7th, J.J. Pearce 14th and 8th, Sachse 8th and 15th, while Duncanville was 6th and 16th. If ensembles are made up of individuals and an appropriate aggregate individual sample size is used, how and why do we get swings like this?