2021 BOA San Antonio Super Regional (Nov. 5 & 6)

[slowbrass]

Just saw Hebron’s new closer 🏎🏎🏎 

 

[BandFan59]

  On 10/26/2021 at 5:35 AM, slowbrass said:

Just saw Hebron’s new closer 🏎🏎🏎 

 

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Did they add more music/drill to it? They had what looked like the entire show on the field at BOA Dallas, although just from judging the length at the time they still had room to add as much as even another minute to their show.

[slowbrass]

  On 10/26/2021 at 9:36 PM, BandFan59 said:

Did they add more music/drill to it? They had what looked like the entire show on the field at BOA Dallas, although just from judging the length at the time they still had room to add as much as even another minute to their show.

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Yes to both, about 20-30 seconds worth I’d say. Not a ton but it gives the show a bit more finality, especially from a music standpoint.

[BandFan59]

  On 10/26/2021 at 9:46 PM, slowbrass said:

Yes to both, about 20-30 seconds worth I’d say. Not a ton but it gives the show a bit more finality, especially from a music standpoint.

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That's great for them, I did feel the show ended a bit abruptly at Dallas. I have them as the favorites for the music caption here, but I don't know if the show is strong enough visually to contend for the gold here. UIL State however is a different story.

[Marchingbandperson]

So many bands are so close together at previous competitions so its so hard to guess and it’ll be very interesting to see who used these final weeks the best 

I assume we’ll

1-5 Vandegrift, Ronald Reagan, Woodlands, CTJ, Hebron

6-11  Marcus, Vista Ridge, Cedar Park, Cedar Ridge, Leander, Rouse(Such wildcards, from medaling at Austin to being a point behind Leander at the marching classic) 

12-14 Round Rock, Keller, Pearland 

Just out : Westlake, Bowie, cypress woods, seven lakes, Lake Travis, Westwood but honestly the last 3 spots could be grabbed by almost anyone out of these bands 

 

[Uncle Baby Billy]

  On 10/26/2021 at 9:46 PM, slowbrass said:

Yes to both, about 20-30 seconds worth I’d say. Not a ton but it gives the show a bit more finality, especially from a music standpoint.

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Are you positive that it isn't a temporary tag ending? Many bands try to throw together a brief ending to tie the show together but may be up to bigger things. 

[lost]

  On 10/30/2021 at 1:33 AM, Uncle Baby Billy said:

Are you positive that it isn't a temporary tag ending? Many bands try to throw together a brief ending to tie the show together but may be up to bigger things. 

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Vista Ridge 2019 at Midland comes to mind.

[slowbrass]

  On 10/30/2021 at 1:33 AM, Uncle Baby Billy said:

Are you positive that it isn't a temporary tag ending? Many bands try to throw together a brief ending to tie the show together but may be up to bigger things. 

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Pretty sure, just saw them tonight at a football game and they had fleshed it out quite a lot. It hasn’t been Hebron’s MO to do a different ending for UIL and BOA since 2014. If anything, the tag ending is the one we saw at BOA Dallas.

[cjm715]

  On 10/30/2021 at 1:50 AM, slowbrass said:

Pretty sure, just saw them tonight at a football game and they had fleshed it out quite a lot. It hasn’t been Hebron’s MO to do a different ending for UIL and BOA since 2014. If anything, the tag ending is the one we saw at BOA Dallas.

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The tag ending was the one at dallas! The ending you saw recently was the real ending

[cjm715]

In my eyes…

Vista ridge vandy hebron marcus reagan woodlands and ctj will be in the top half

Cedar park cedar ridge pearland keller james bowie leander rouse for the bottom

[jmartin1056]

Just saw Hebron’s new closer tonight. Some other “effects” have been added to the show. Very strong contender for top 3 here in my opinion. They were awesome!

[cjm715]

this just got a whole lot more interesting….

[slowbrass]

Honestly I’ve got more doubts about Reagan after tonight than Vandegrift.

[BandFan59]

Have to thing the Woodlands and CTJ feel a lot better going into this event now after some pretty dominant performances today with the Woodlands getting straight 1st places from every judge in prelims and CTJ winning both prelims and finals at area D.

[cjm715]

And vista ridge beating vandy tonight, who we all thought was gonna be unbeatable earlier this year

[WILKINSON]

  On 10/31/2021 at 4:35 AM, BandFan59 said:

Have to thing the Woodlands and CTJ feel a lot better going into this event now after some pretty dominant performances today with the Woodlands getting straight 1st places from every judge in prelims and CTJ winning both prelims and finals at area D.

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I agree, it bodes very well for CTJ, I feel like their show is more BOA-oriented than for UIL. Haven’t seen Ronald Reagan in person, but for me it feels like their show lacks GE, at least from the videos. I’m sure that’ll change for me next week when I see them live. 

[BandFan59]

  On 10/31/2021 at 4:44 AM, WILKINSON said:

I agree, it bodes very well for CTJ, I feel like their show is more BOA-oriented than for UIL. Haven’t seen Ronald Reagan in person, but for me it feels like their show lacks GE, at least from the videos. I’m sure that’ll change for me next week when I see them live. 

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CTJ has my favorite show this year out of any band this year in the country. Really pulling for them to do well here and at Grand Nationals. I really like Reagan's show as well, but I think it's just a bit too similar to Secret World and doesn't take enough risks. They perform it incredibly well though, and I still love the overall design.

[Band2021]

After watching Area D tonight I can tell Reagan is nearing thier peak. Cedar Ridge some how looked more energetic and focused. Reagan needs to really push for more energy in their closer. CTJ musically stunning! Love everything about their show hoping for strong finish at Nats. 

[Vidal28]

  On 10/31/2021 at 4:41 AM, cjm715 said:

And vista ridge beating vandy tonight, who we all thought was gonna be unbeatable earlier this year

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I really never got that “unbeatable” vibe from Vandegrift in early-mid season, even though of course they were performing and placing very well in what they were attending. So much can change with the contest format, and especially when you have all the heavy hitters coming together in San Antonio these next few weeks, all bets are off👀

[CTJBandPops]

  On 10/31/2021 at 4:58 AM, Vidal28 said:

I really never got that “unbeatable” vibe from Vandegrift in early-mid season, even though of course they were performing and placing very well in what they were attending. So much can change with the contest format, and especially when you have all the heavy hitters coming together in San Antonio these next few weeks, all bets are off👀

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you are right - so many heavy hitters that are coming together in the dome next week for both UIL and BOA. Vista Ridge over Vandy, CTJ over Reagan - to name a few, this will not change the fact they are all competing a week from now with new judges and 2 very different format between BOA and UIL - there is a still a lot of time and changes that can be made in the coming week and it will be interesting to see what the programs will do. who will reach for a UIL balance - who will go more for the BOA angle - while they are getting closer in their judging styles - there is still a very different approach - the next 2 weeks will be very interesting to see. let's do this

[cjm715]

And let’s not ignore coppell over keller!!!

[slowbrass]

CTJ, Reagan, The Woodlands, Vandegrift, Vista Ridge, Hebron, Marcus, Cedar Ridge, Cedar Park, Leander, Rouse, Keller, Coppell all feel like firm finalists to me right now. Kinda crazy.

[Rubisco]

I would be very, very cautious about using UIL Area scores or placements as a barometer for how this contest will play out. Historically, UIL Area hasn't been super useful for predicting BOA, or even for predicting UIL State. I guess you could argue that UIL's system has become more content-oriented, like BOA, but clearly that did little to fix the sloppiness of the judging. (Exhibit A: Area B! Anybody want a 1-1-12?)

That being said, there are some things that caught my attention about this weekend's scores, for various reasons. First of all, I feel a little bit vindicated in the CTJ versus Reagan match-up. Going into the Texas Marching Classic, I accurately predicted Vandegrift would win that contest, along with the way the captions were awarded, but I would have had CTJ ahead of Reagan on the strength of music performance. CTJ did, in fact, end up ahead of Reagan in music performance at the TMC, but it wasn't enough to overcome Reagan in effect or visual performance. Reagan's 4-4-4 in music and 1-1 in visual at UIL Area is actually closer to what I would have expected. I don't think Reagan is bad musically or anything like that; I've just thought that they could use some work in that area all season (along with pretty much all the other bands). Now, am I convinced this is how it's going to play out at San Antonio? No.

Vista Ridge ahead of Vandegrift at Area H was really the only big surprise for me, mainly because Vandegrift's show is a little bit more old-fashioned and also better performed than Vista's, based on the most recently available videos. Vandy's show seems right up UIL's alley. I'm wondering if this is a case of the new content-related criteria boosting a group, because Vista's show is definitely the more difficult of the two shows. Overall, although I won't read too much into the result, it does give me at least a tiny bit of confidence in predicting Vista for the top half of finals at BOA SA, with some real potential to crash the top 5.

Hebron and Flower Mound are closer than I think most people are assuming. UIL Area results showed this, but so did BOA Dallas results. Flower Mound topped Hebron by only about one half of a point. In fact, more judges had Hebron in 1st place at BOA Dallas finals than those who had Flower Mound in 1st place. I think Hebron is a much bigger threat for the top at this contest than people think, especially on the strength of their music, but their visual program also got a perfectly fine score at BOA Dallas, so visual concerns may be a little overblown.

The Woodlands getting 1st place from every judge at UIL Area prelims is a bit of a nothingburger for me. Yes, they excelled despite UIL's wonky judging, but as fine as the groups in Area F are, TWHS had absolutely no competition -- even less than they did at BOA Conroe. I still think they're a threat for the top here, but San Antonio is the first time this season they'll encounter any sort of challenge. And performing after CTJ in prelims is oh-so-unfortunate for any group!

Cedar Park got a massive 93.6 at Waco. Warranted? I don't know, but it makes me think CP will be able to break the top 7 here, which apparently will be filled with 95+ scores, unless BOA tones it down a little. It's okay. I don't mind it.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Rubisco
BOA Dallas, not UIL Dallas

[Rubisco]

Just watched Hebron's UIL Area finals performance. I think it's a fine show with some really great musical moments. A little slow and old-fashioned at the start, but it gets more effective as the show progresses. They smartly save their best and most entertaining movements for last. I guess my biggest gripe would be that the set pieces don't add much to the show. Since the set pieces are fountain pens, I would have expected them to write out the drill, something like that, from time to time, but I'm not seeing much functionality.

[An Inspirational Pinecone]

  On 10/31/2021 at 4:35 AM, BandFan59 said:

Have to thing the Woodlands and CTJ feel a lot better going into this event now after some pretty dominant performances today with the Woodlands getting straight 1st places from every judge in prelims and CTJ winning both prelims and finals at area D.

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I'm honestly more worried for my alum cause before there were 5 contenders for first but now it feels like it's anyone's game. Still a firm believer in them and their banger of a show but there's a lot more competition