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2021 6A UIL SMBC (Nov. 8 & 9)

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can we end this conversation already - this is a yearly thing. unless someone has $500K in their pocket that wants to ensure that the "Best in Texas" goes to G Nats let's just let it go. In 2019

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In 2012 Marcus won the BOA San Antonio Super Regional sweeping captions and went on to win UIL State that year. In 2016 Flower Mound won the BOA San Antonio Super Regional sweeping captions and went o

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I think just making it to the state marching contest is an incredible honor. Not everyone get the opportunity to participate in that contest. So regardless of placement we should see it as a huge acco

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Made an account right now just so I could post my congratulations to the Hebron Band. I was a member from 2016-2019 and I can confidently say this is the greatest Hebron Band with the greatest Hebron show of all time. I am so proud of all of them and the entire staff because I know how hard they work and how much they have impacted my life and countless others. I’m am proud to say that I marched with some of these kids and I can’t think of a more deserving program. Thank you for finally bringing home the gold. ALL IN ALL THE TIME!

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  On 11/10/2021 at 12:16 AM, vistaridgefan42069 said:

the curse of the best texas band not going to nats continues…

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can we end this conversation already - this is a yearly thing. unless someone has $500K in their pocket that wants to ensure that the "Best in Texas" goes to G Nats let's just let it go.

In 2019 we heard... but if Reagan went... but they didn't - and Vandy brought home the Eagle. how do you think the Vandy program felt to heard - but if Reagan went...

Hebron had a phenomenal show and they took gold in BOA-SA and State - their season is over and they will now prepare for their trip to Pasadena and the Tournament of Roses parade in January. I know they will have a great time. but let's start supporting the 7 programs that ARE going to Indy and move on.

 

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Flower Mound's percussion scores were what knocked them down below Marcus. There was an ordinal gap of 10 in that caption alone, while overall they were separated by an ordinal gap of 5. I think they will be just fine for Grand Nationals.

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  On 11/10/2021 at 12:33 AM, Asaiah said:

Hebron took first in every caption except percussion, which went to Marcus.

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Seeing Vandegrift in 4th in percussion to me is pretty... curious... to say the least, but I think I agree with most of the judging overall

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  On 11/10/2021 at 12:52 AM, SnareSnare13 said:

Seeing Vandegrift in 4th in percussion to me is pretty... curious... to say the least, but I think I agree with most of the judging overall

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I probably would've had them higher, but all of the bands in front of them have exceptionally talented percussion programs, so I'm not too bothered by it.

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First and foremost congratulations to Hebron, very VERY well deserved, and what I'm about to say is not to take away from their victory or any bands placement tonight. However, I need someone to help me understand the inconsistencies between judging panels at UIL. BOA is far from perfect, but they at least seem to be more consistent over their competitions. There is no doubt that bands have good runs and bad runs and that a lot of progress can be made within even just a week, but it seems a large portion of UIL is just a crapshoot with what judges you get. Again, I know that BOA, and all judged events for that matter, have a similar fatal flaw, but UIL just seems to suffer from it worse than most. Look at vista ridge over vandy or ctj over reagan from the Area competitions or look at BOASA from this past weekend (an event that UIL is trying to judge more like) yet you have CTJ dropping to 8th while just the other day taking bronze at BOASA. (again they are 2 separate competitions and judged differently, but you can't convince me Jarrett Lipman didn't piss in the judges cheerios over the weekend)

Jokes aside, I really am curious as to why UIL suffers so much more from discrepancies compared to other judged events, so please, enlighten me fellow band nerds :) 

 

 

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  On 11/10/2021 at 12:43 AM, BandFan59 said:

Flower Mound's percussion scores were what knocked them down below Marcus. There was an ordinal gap of 10 in that caption alone, while overall they were separated by an ordinal gap of 5. I think they will be just fine for Grand Nationals.

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Yeah I agree idk how it was that low but could definitely see them too 3 at Nats. Maybe ever Marcus? It’s gonna be one heck of a competition is all I know 

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  On 11/10/2021 at 12:59 AM, Ants_VS_Cotton Balls said:

First and foremost congratulations to Hebron, very VERY well deserved, and what I'm about to say is not to take away from their victory or any bands placement tonight. However, I need someone to help me understand the inconsistencies between judging panels at UIL. BOA is far from perfect, but they at least seem to be more consistent over their competitions. There is no doubt that bands have good runs and bad runs and that a lot of progress can be made within even just a week, but it seems a large portion of UIL is just a crapshoot with what judges you get. Again, I know that BOA, and all judged events for that matter, have a similar fatal flaw, but UIL just seems to suffer from it worse than most. Look at vista ridge over vandy or ctj over reagan from the Area competitions or look at BOASA from this past weekend (an event that UIL is trying to judge more like) yet you have CTJ dropping to 8th while just the other day taking bronze at BOASA. (again they are 2 separate competitions and judged differently, but you can't convince me Jarrett Lipman didn't piss in the judges cheerios over the weekend)

Jokes aside, I really am curious as to why UIL suffers so much more from discrepancies compared to other judged events, so please, enlighten me fellow band nerds :) 

 

 

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UIL's ordinal judging probably contributes to that. It's not a great system and I really wish they would just switch to raw scores like BOA does, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

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  On 11/10/2021 at 1:26 AM, BandFan59 said:

UIL's ordinal judging probably contributes to that. It's not a great system and I really wish they would just switch to raw scores like BOA does, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

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I asked this same question for 5A state finals in the thread. 

I forget the user but he went through and made it clear, raw scores vs ordinals was not different much, if at all.

Would love to do that for this contest but idk where to find the raw scores

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  On 11/10/2021 at 1:26 AM, BandFan59 said:

UIL's ordinal judging probably contributes to that. It's not a great system and I really wish they would just switch to raw scores like BOA does, but I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

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oh for the love of God no .. BOA is the absolute worst. Please do not tarnish UIL with BOA 

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