2021 6A UIL SMBC (Nov. 8 & 9)

[Jackson1]

As crazy as this is, Hebron has only won a couple of regional competitions.  They have never won a "Major" prior to this week.

[Jackson1]

A LOT of seconds and thirds though......

[Trumpette123]

  On 11/10/2021 at 1:59 AM, BandDad4 said:

oh for the love of God no .. BOA is the absolute worst. Please do not tarnish UIL with BOA 

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Mmm I’d disagree. UIL disregards a decent bit of some of these shows. There is a reason why Marcus beat 4 bands they lost to 3 days ago. I think neither system is perfect. 

[BandDad4]

  On 11/10/2021 at 2:23 AM, Trumpette123 said:

Mmm I’d disagree. UIL disregards a decent bit of some of these shows. There is a reason why Marcus beat 4 bands they lost to 3 days ago. I think neither system is perfect. 

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Disregards what in particular? If we are talking about the props and the pageantry. I'd say that is a good thing.

[Marchingbandperson]

  On 11/10/2021 at 2:29 AM, BandDad4 said:

Disregards what in particular? If we are talking about the props and the pageantry. I'd say that is a good thing.

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Reagan broke the record at boa San Antonio without any props, I don’t think at any event props play a major factor in scoring as you know, marching fundamentals and music are sorta important

[Trumpette123]

  On 11/10/2021 at 2:29 AM, BandDad4 said:

Disregards what in particular? If we are talking about the props and the pageantry. I'd say that is a good thing.

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This isn’t some 70s, 80s, 90s drums and bugle corps we are watching these days. It’s the marching arts. The pageantry absolutely shouldn’t be disregarded. Props… idk. Not every district can afford a drum corps turning platform. But that’s why I said they BOTH have flaws. BOA judges to much effect and I think UIL doesn’t judge enough. The effect disregarded out of CTJ and flower mound is unfortunate. Getting a high school boy that isn’t in theatre to portray a happy theme isn’t easy. The kids are clearly bought in. 

[stellamo]

  On 11/10/2021 at 1:24 AM, bxOxAxUIL said:

Does Ronald Reagan play Running Up That Hill in the beginning of their show?

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Yes, they quote it throughout the show

[vistaridgefan42069]

oh, people who think effect is derived from props and pageantry… 

tools don’t build a house unless you use em right

[CTJBandPops]

  On 11/10/2021 at 1:59 AM, BandDad4 said:

oh for the love of God no .. BOA is the absolute worst. Please do not tarnish UIL with BOA 

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Every program has the ability to opt out of BOA - with UIL, not so much.

the UIL scoring process is a known antiquated hot mess. this year was going to be different with a 7 judge panel that would reward both guard and percussion. it was trialed in 5A State in 2019 with shadow judges to see how it went and was not done in 2020 due to the pandemic. It was again a hot mess that had no consistency with very wide swings from prelims and finals and no understanding to how the judging was done.

BOA is far from perfect, but you know what to expect.

[DallasFan]

  On 11/10/2021 at 3:08 AM, banddad84 said:

Every program has the ability to opt out of BOA - with UIL, not so much.

the UIL scoring process is a known antiquated hot mess. this year was going to be different with a 7 judge panel that would reward both guard and percussion. it was trialed in 5A State in 2019 with shadow judges to see how it went and was not done in 2020 due to the pandemic. It was again a hot mess that had no consistency with very wide swings from prelims and finals and no understanding to how the judging was done.

BOA is far from perfect, but you know what to expect.

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I do think the new system is much better then what it was before. 
 

I tend to believe the inconsistencies came from the fact most of the panel changes between prelims and finals rather then a “flawed” system. Different judges have different ideas for what they like to listen for or see. 
 

I don’t know if there is/was training for these contests but this is the first use of this system. I expected some interesting results. 
 

But it cannot be horribly flawed considering they, in most peoples eyes and ears, got the top 2 correct in prelims and finals.

 

[bk_bobb]

It seems as if the UIL ‘Content/Design’ ranking is how the bands would’ve placed using BOA metrics…

[BPTMN]

Hebron band parent here.  Thank you for all the kind words and support these past days.  It’s truly an honor to be chosen the winner among an amazing field of exceptional bands in our state.  We are celebrating but are excited to cheer for our fellow LISD and other TX bands going to Grand Nats!  Show them what band in Texas is all about! 

[Nny14]

  On 11/10/2021 at 1:53 AM, Jackson1 said:

Do not believe they have ever done an encore.  Didn't at SA.

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Well since they're going to the Rose Parade I believe they'll get to perform the show again at the Pasadena Bandfest

[PLC137]

To understand why both UIL and BOA scoring - indeed any subjective scoring systems - are imperfect (maybe to different degrees), you have to consider variability and unconscious bias.  Read the book "Noise," by Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman, for example.  

One you accept this, it makes the competitions more enjoyable because your expectations are more calibrated.  

[BPTMN]

  On 11/10/2021 at 3:47 AM, Nny14 said:

Well since they're going to the Rose Parade I believe they'll get to perform the show again at the Pasadena Bandfest

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We do.  

[slowbrass]

WOOHOOOOOOOOO

also, does anyone have the detailed finals recaps?

[natertater21000]

Here is what the scores for finals would have looked like if you did the math using the raw content and achievement score totals.

1.Hebron-98.4

2.Vandegrift-97.1

3.Marcus-96.5

4.Flower Mound-96.0

5.Reagan-95.3

6.Coppell-94.7

7.CTJ-94.4

8.Cedar Ridge-93.3

9.Keller-93.1

10.Westlake-93.0

11.Vista Ridge-92.5

12.Carroll-91.7

Interesting to see that both Reagan and CTJ would've each moved up one spot, I expected it to stay exactly the same.

[jmj]

  On 11/10/2021 at 3:47 AM, Nny14 said:

Well since they're going to the Rose Parade I believe they'll get to perform the show again at the Pasadena Bandfest

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Typically, Pasadena Star News will livestream that event also.. I remember getting to watch Pop! again when FloMo went for Rose Parade 2019. It was like seeing an old friend again. I will be so excited to watch Penstriped again in a couple of months! 
 

Honestly, still buzzing to think that Hebron is now state champ! Thinking back to some of my favorite Hebron shows like Music in Every Direction, When Midnight Comes, and Uncharted Waters and now the absolute jewel that Penstriped becomes in their legacy.

[vistaridgefan42069]

hebron absolutely deserves everything they’ve gotten this year and more. they’ve been a staple of texas boa for the whole modern era and it’s a almost criminal how long it took them to edge out these other extraordinary programs at the top.

[Origin]

I was watching the the 6A prelims awards, and it looks like the Seven Lakes drum majors thought their name was called when Southlake Carroll was called as the last finalist 😢😢😢😢😢😢 They were second out at both competitions this week. Hopefully their time comes next year!

[BandFan95]

  On 11/10/2021 at 7:18 AM, Origin said:

I was watching the the 6A prelims awards, and it looks like the Seven Lakes drum majors thought their name was called when Southlake Carroll was called as the last finalist 😢😢😢😢😢😢 They were second out at both competitions this week. Hopefully their time comes next year!

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that's so hard! Those poor kids.  I had to warn the Westwood parents back in the day to make sure they heard WESTWOOD and not yell when they heard WESTLAKE. It happens too often. 

[Tubalord11]

Hey if anyone has a vid of FlowerMound plz plz dm me

[natertater21000]

  On 11/10/2021 at 2:47 PM, Tubalord11 said:

Hey if anyone has a vid of FlowerMound plz plz dm me

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Seconded, I've yet to see the show since area. Always had something going on during their time 😒

[VandyBandyFandy]

  On 11/9/2021 at 3:32 PM, mmbandfan said:

Because band directors want uniforms that are adaptable to different show themes and not locked into one color scheme. Of course more bands are ditching their spirit uniforms completely for competitions and just doing a "disposable" custom top each year. Then there's Hebron, who has their school color game uniforms and a totally different competition uniform which is so unique it became their show theme this year. 

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This. Vandegrift does black shoes for several reasons. One, our school colors are black and silver. Two, they look good with our black bibs/pants. Our kids wear those pants every year and with every uniform. They wear them with their regular "non-show" shirts, and then each year, they get a new shirt specific to that year's show. It cuts down somewhat on costs by using the same bibs / shoes. Three, it takes a monumental effort to tailor uniforms for 400 kids, even just show shirts. Having to tailor 400 new bibs every year would be an even bigger task. Our uniforms team starts working in summer to get all incoming freshmen fitted for regular uniforms, shoes ordered, etc. Then they have all the kids that grew 6 inches in the last year. Then they have to tailor all 400 show shirts for each kid. Honestly, I don't know how they do it. They are amazing. I couldn't imagine adding more work to that. 

[VandyBandyFandy]

  On 11/9/2021 at 9:58 PM, Mash said:

Just saw a great pic,  Vista walking towards the field in the tunnel past Vandy exiting.  Exchanging high fives and first bumps.  That is awesome. 

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I saw a picture of our Vandegrift uniform team (all volunteers, BTW), in the parking lot, repairing and sewing the uniform of a Cedar Ridge band member, while they were still wearing it. Love that. We're all truly one big band family.