Gehrig4 Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 8:58 PM, 1998-2018 said: I have a long term affiliation with the KISD band programs and have enjoyed watching Timber Creek performances and growing maturity since the school opened. I think the underlying issue in this case may be the specificity of your observation. While it is true that “TC became an area medalist their second appearance in the state qualifiers” this is not particularly surprising in comparison to other things that happened at the competition . It’s also kind of like saying “X rarely happens on the third day of the seventh month of an odd numbered year.” The reality is Timber Creek has been the Area B runner up (6th place) five or six consecutive years before breaking through (5th place) and advancing to the SMBC last year. Timber Creek has already been a force within Area B for many years. They moved up one place last year. Two more places the next year is extremely satisfying for supporters of the program (like me) but not exactly unprecedented for an up and coming band in the activity. Especially when the band in question has been having such a strong year. Waxahachie’s recent trajectory has been similar. Consequently more attention has been paid to the judges sheets and how the preliminary and final rankings for all the bands were actually determined. Consensus, continuity, and consistency did not appear to rule the day. Having said that I don’t have a problem with who is advancing, even if my personal selections would have been slightly different. I really just wish there was room for a couple more. Expand Given the propensity to apply Olympic level scaffolding to name recognition in marching band- I’d say it’s markedly more interesting. Quote
1998-2018 Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 9:51 PM, Gehrig4 said: Given the propensity to apply Olympic level scaffolding to name recognition in marching band- I’d say it’s markedly more interesting. Expand I need some help with clarification, please. The intended meaning of your reply eludes me. 🤔 Edit: Wait…are you referring to the proverbial medal podium? Sure, that’s cool and it is Area B so it could help add to their reputation but are you forgetting they already have a BOA Regional win too? Don’t people already know who they are? Quote
Dallas Hobbs Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 5:25 AM, Dallas Hobbs said: Same thing happened when I predicted this order: Lake Highlands> Martin > Berkner. Inaccurate for prelims, accurate for finals Expand I also correctly predicted this ordering: Highland Park > Haltom > JJ Pearce. They weren’t finalists but they were 14th-16th respectively. Quote
Popular Post LandryWallach Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 6:12 PM, MoonPlume said: Personally I have never seen their show before, or really scouted them out, but WOW! I was blown away with them. Their sound was great. The music was also very well written, the chords were very luscious! Don’t get me wrong, I won’t say their show was flawless. I saw a lone shoe on the left side of the field, being rolled over and marched upon, but the thing is, I couldn’t tell whose shoe it was! The technique was still the same, which impressed me. I was very happy they advanced for sure! Expand Hi I’m Landry, That was My shoe! Thanks for the compliment! Musicguy23, Marchingbandrocks, wef and 2 others 4 1 Quote
rombotine Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 5:55 PM, boppellband said: Anyone have a link to Coppell? Expand Quote
Dallas Hobbs Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Can someone explain what the “content” sub-caption means in music and visual? Quote
littlejaw Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 5:32 AM, Dallas Hobbs said: Can someone explain what the “content” sub-caption means in music and visual? Expand In a traditional context it means difficulty and level of achievement combined. You can have the hardest possible thing written, but if it is higher than the capability of your students you won’t get credit for it. Also if everything is too easy then your score won’t be as high either. UIL is known for weird scoring, so they might not even do it this way. Quote
littlejaw Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 11:56 AM, littlejaw said: In a traditional context it means difficulty and level of achievement combined. You can have the hardest possible thing written, but if it is higher than the capability of your students you won’t get credit for it. Also if everything is too easy then your score won’t be as high either. UIL is known for weird scoring, so they might not even do it this way. Expand Actually, I think it is purely difficulty scored on the achievability of your students. All of the other scores show the execution whereas content will be only difficulty. But again only difficulty that is achievable by your students and also not too easy. Quote
Efrin Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 5:32 AM, Dallas Hobbs said: Can someone explain what the “content” sub-caption means in music and visual? Expand https://www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Area:State_Adjudication_Sheets.pdf Quote
Gehrig4 Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 11:50 PM, 1998-2018 said: I need some help with clarification, please. The intended meaning of your reply eludes me. 🤔 Edit: Wait…are you referring to the proverbial medal podium? Sure, that’s cool and it is Area B so it could help add to their reputation but are you forgetting they already have a BOA Regional win too? Don’t people already know who they are? Expand I’m saying that name recognition, similarly to gymnastics and ice skating in the Olympics clearly provides scaffolding for schools’ programs in competitions. It’s difficult to crack and it’s difficult to fall out. I’m not saying it can’t be done - nor am I saying it’s unfair- but I AM saying that listing rising schools’ achievements- however banal to you, is indeed meaningful and an important metric. BandAlumMom 1 Quote
CosmicLimbo Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 5:38 PM, moneyman said: Thoughts on Waxahachie? Expand I mean what more can I say. Like with Dville, I'm a little biased towards them since I used to compete with those kids at region and was really good friends with a lot of them. With that said, Waxahachie carries themselves with so much proffesionalism and elegance with their show (Building Paris) this year being a prime example of that. They consistently play difficult music all while making it sound easy and they're able to do that because of how well the fundamentals are taught over there. Their soloists are also consistently stellar and they move incredibly well as well. Waxahachie is a program I'd keep my eye on as they won't be going away any time soon and they're only going to get better from here. Dallas Hobbs 1 Quote
Dallas Hobbs Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 5:38 PM, moneyman said: Thoughts on Waxahachie? Expand Terrific musical skillsets all around, especially when played simultaneously with their choreography. They perform exceptionally well in extended phrases and are very clean marchers considering the complexity or their drill moves and formations. Great dynamic contrast, great balance and blend of voices, superb quality of sound in the upper register in the woodwinds. Lots of great stuff from Waxahachie Quote
Popular Post Tubalord11 Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2022 just wanted to hop on and say congratulations to our state qualifiers and just all the bands who competed here! these young kids have worked hard all season long to get to this point, and while not everyone may get the results they wanted or wished for, all of these kids are winners and should be proud of all they hard work they've put in! Really happy for Timber Creek! After seeing them live this year at dfw, I knew this show was going to be something special by the time they get to area, and boy was I right! One of my suitemates and best friends at college went there, so now I have some bias, but I mean wow, what a day it must have been for those kids! That opening hit just gets me every time! Best of luck to everyone at the super regional and state! LandryWallach, azi1 and JWork 2 1 Quote
Dallas Hobbs Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 8:38 PM, Vewer said: Thoughts on Coppell and Keller? Expand Coppell always performs pristinely and is a lock for state finals for me. Keller always bring that BIG Texas band sound wherever they go, I think they’re a lock for finals as well. Quote
bancl Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Coppell was amazing! Such a fantastic band. Keller was much better in prelims than finals I thought. They were better at DMI the week before IMO as well. They had the amazing misfortune of having to go first in prelims AND finals. I would imagine that with a better run and later in the show that their placement would have been higher given how close the scores ended up being, but who knows. Quote
Popular Post BandDad4 Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 9:04 PM, Dallas Hobbs said: Coppell always performs pristinely and is a lock for state finals for me. Keller always bring that BIG Texas band sound wherever they go, I think they’re a lock for finals as well. Expand TC has been chasing Keller for some time, they have a chance for finals I think after this past weekend. 1998-2018, JWork, Dallas Hobbs and 1 other 4 Quote
RandomBandGuy23 Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Coppell was stunning! Their ensemble sound is very dark and sonorous with great balance and clarity between all of the instruments. Having listened to both, it reminds a lot of Marcus’ sound but if you were to make it sound a bit more brilliant and a bit less reserved. Visual cleanliness was also very good and was leaps and bounds ahead of their last showing at BOA Dallas. I’d personally see them as locks for state finals with a very solid chance at making the top half. Keller was also very, very good. While the other state advancing bands were absolutely wonderful in their own right, I personally had Keller getting second and was a little surprised to see them get fourth. Quote
cjm715 Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said: TC has been chasing Keller for some time, they have a chance for finals I think after this past weekend. Expand I think so as well. TC was ahead of keller in prelims and finals so I think it would be safe to say that TC will stay above keller in terms of uil, that is unless keller gets stupid clean in the span of just this week. Their show might not have nearly the amount of musical content that keller’s has but they’re playing the snot out of it and they sound gooooooood. Marchingbandrocks and BandDad4 2 Quote
josephbandfan Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 Coppell was fantastic on all fronts. While I'm not crazy about the show, they really were the clear winner. I believe their rifle line alone was bigger than all of Keller's guard this year 😩 I saw recordings of Keller's halftime on Thursday and their prelims run, and their finals run was definitely the least solid. A couple of somewhat major blunders, musically and visually, that had me a little worried about how they'd place. That combined with performing first, I really couldn't argue against their placement. Just happy they could advance and get another opportunity to give their best. And each week, I have noticed changes in either the drill, visuals, music, soloist, and guard which I love because they are constantly trying to improve their show, even if it means they aren't as clean at each competition. Quote
Popular Post josephbandfan Posted November 1, 2022 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2022 I would be so proud if both TC and Keller were in state finals. Marchingbandrocks, BandDad4 and JWork 3 Quote
Popular Post 1998-2018 Posted November 1, 2022 Popular Post Posted November 1, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 3:53 PM, Gehrig4 said: I’m saying that name recognition, similarly to gymnastics and ice skating in the Olympics clearly provides scaffolding for schools’ programs in competitions. It’s difficult to crack and it’s difficult to fall out. I’m not saying it can’t be done - nor am I saying it’s unfair- but I AM saying that listing rising schools’ achievements- however banal to you, is indeed meaningful and an important metric. Expand That’s a bridge too far for me. Top programs are not propped up by the “scaffolding” of their prior achievements or reputation. This is an extremely complex activity and excellence and judging is not always clearly understood by the crowd in the stands. However, it is earned and then demonstrated repeatedly, or not. It’s definitely difficult to attain, but once achieved, excellence also typically has a momentum that is not easily lost. But it has nothing to do with reputation. For example, an excellent program must get their freshman up to the level the other students have already achieved. Additionally the program has already cracked the code and established the environment necessary to accomplish this year after year. In contrast, an up and coming program may need to increase the performance level of many more students across the classes and is also still working to establish an environment that consistently produces excellence. This is what makes it so difficult to break into the next level. Not reputation “scaffolding”. I will agree the Judges know these programs, but I can assure you they have no respect for reputation once the actual performance and judging begins. Examples abound in the relatively recent history of both Area B (including this year) and the SMBC. I’d like to be more specific but naming programs that may have come up short (past or present) can unpleasantly fire up forum participants so this is where I bow out and respectfully agree to disagree. In closing I will say I suspect many people will find the process less frustrating if they embrace this explanation and let go of the belief that “It’s always the same bands…” due to anything other than just that day’s performance. It can make the long journey to sustained excellence more understandable and satisfying. CosmicLimbo, VinoGirl and Efrin 3 Quote
1998-2018 Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 9:28 PM, RandomBandGuy23 said: Keller was also very, very good. While the other state advancing bands were absolutely wonderful in their own right, I personally had Keller getting second and was a little surprised to see them get fourth. Expand Agreed. But they have been doing this dance with Waxahachie for several years now and after breaking through last year, Timber Creek has been playing with new found confidence this year. There is no longer anything tentative about their performances and it has made a huge difference. I look forward to seeing all three in Finals at the SMBC. Yeah, Coppell too, so that makes four. BandDad4 and Marchingbandrocks 2 Quote
averagebandnerd Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 10:09 PM, cjm715 said: I think so as well. TC was ahead of keller in prelims and finals so I think it would be safe to say that TC will stay above keller in terms of uil, that is unless keller gets stupid clean in the span of just this week. Their show might not have nearly the amount of musical content that keller’s has but they’re playing the snot out of it and they sound gooooooood. Expand Just like Vista Ridge and Vandegrift since 2018... gregorydf01 1 Quote
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