Duncanville Marching Invitational 2022 - October 22nd

[PSHSMom]

Back in 2013, the Plano East band stopped their show before the last movement because they knew they started late.  Yes. us parents in the audience were confused, but they still received their 1st rating because they were aware of the time restriction.  There are so many props and electronics these days in the shows and the bands should know the the effect of starting late.  Wakeland probably knew the consequences of starting late yet continued so they could get a full run in.  

[krustyjoe]

  On 10/17/2022 at 9:11 PM, Flute goddess said:

As I said in the other thread I agree on the unfairness of the timeline. They should at least have put it under review right away and hold back on the rating.

I don't quite getting where you are coming from when you say it was 'technically' fair. Just time their show. They would have never made it in under 8 minutes even without problems.

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yeah, like atomic said, their show is short enough to be under 8 minutes. the problem wasn't due to timing, it was a equipment malfunction with the synth, as they had to restart one of their macbooks. 

[Musicnerd]

  On 10/17/2022 at 9:11 PM, Flute goddess said:

As I said in the other thread I agree on the unfairness of the timeline. They should at least have put it under review right away and hold back on the rating.

I don't quite getting where you are coming from when you say it was 'technically' fair. Just time their show. They would have never made it in under 8 minutes even without problems.

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[Musicnerd]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:41 AM, krustyjoe said:

yeah, like atomic said, their show is short enough to be under 8 minutes. the problem wasn't due to timing, it was a equipment malfunction with the synth, as they had to restart one of their macbooks. 

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None of our kids were told they would be starting during the announcements. They have never once practiced that way. They never planned to start early. The show is just too long and the director started it too late to fit in the allotted time. Equipment malfunction is not a legitimate excuse. They should have started without the synth if it really wasn’t ready in time. Directors should make sure their shows are short enough to allow for a few seconds of issues anyway. It’s a dangerous move to make the show longer than that. Hopefully something was learned, but it sounds like it’s just being swept under the rug of excuses. 

[krustyjoe]

  On 10/18/2022 at 3:56 AM, Musicnerd said:

None of our kids were told they would be starting during the announcements. They have never once practiced that way. They never planned to start early. The show is just too long and the director started it too late to fit in the allotted time. Equipment malfunction is not a legitimate excuse. They should have started without the synth if it really wasn’t ready in time. Directors should make sure their shows are short enough to allow for a few seconds of issues anyway. It’s a dangerous move to make the show longer than that. Hopefully something was learned, but it sounds like it’s just being swept under the rug of excuses. 

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its not an excuse. i'm not trying to justify anything for them. also, the show was never too long, it would've fit in the allotted time if not for the malfunction, and if you watch their previous performances, they're able to fit it in 8 minutes. should they have cut it short? probably. saying equipment malfunction isn't a legitimate excuse is just straight up irrational. should the band be to blame for a malfunction and just have it count as illegitimate? also your 8 minute 20 second meme doesn't work if their show isn't even that long. the main flaw in your argument is that you keep saying their show is "too long" and the director should've cut it short when that isn't the problem. maybe you should show some respect to the people in the band and the directors who've put in all the work just to have a performance denied from them, and prevent them from seeing people online invalidate their achievements due to personal bias? it's okay to have an opinion but no need to get so hostile over such a small matter (i shouldn't be talking i guess but too late now right?). it sounds to me like you're a parent of a wakeland student, so what do you gain by pinning all the blame on their director? they definitely are learning from this experience and will probably learn to cut their show short in the future if a similar situation ever happens again, but at the end of the day it simply isn't their fault, and rules are rules, so they won't be advancing to area no matter what anyone on here says. it's a bummer we won't be getting to see wakeland (win) at area b, but i'll definitely be looking out for them at duncanville. it's definitely a good choice for next weekend for them.

[krustyjoe]

1. wakeland

2. keller

3. waxahachie

4. allen

5. lake ridge

6. james martin

7. plano east

8. fossil ridge

9. berkner

10. byron nelson

 

music: wakeland

visual: wakeland

percussion: wakeland

auxiliary: keller

 

[Musicnerd]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:33 AM, krustyjoe said:

its not an excuse. i'm not trying to justify anything for them. also, the show was never too long, it would've fit in the allotted time if not for the malfunction, and if you watch their previous performances, they're able to fit it in 8 minutes. should they have cut it short? probably. saying equipment malfunction isn't a legitimate excuse is just straight up irrational. should the band be to blame for a malfunction and just have it count as illegitimate? also your 8 minute 20 second meme doesn't work if their show isn't even that long. the main flaw in your argument is that you keep saying their show is "too long" and the director should've cut it short when that isn't the problem. maybe you should show some respect to the people in the band and the directors who've put in all the work just to have a performance denied from them, and prevent them from seeing people online invalidate their achievements due to personal bias? it's okay to have an opinion but no need to get so hostile over such a small matter (i shouldn't be talking i guess but too late now right?). it sounds to me like you're a parent of a wakeland student, so what do you gain by pinning all the blame on their director? they definitely are learning from this experience and will probably learn to cut their show short in the future if a similar situation ever happens again, but at the end of the day it simply isn't their fault, and rules are rules, so they won't be advancing to area no matter what anyone on here says. it's a bummer we won't be getting to see wakeland (win) at area b, but i'll definitely be looking out for them at duncanville. it's definitely a good choice for next weekend for them.

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You are right that the show isn’t always 8 minutes 20 seconds. When they performed at BOA the same day, it was 8 minutes 30 seconds. They would have needed to start their show nearly at the start of the announcement in order to fit it in. It is not the fault of our kids. It doesn’t matter if there is a malfunction with some equipment. The director chose to wait to start at the time they did, so yes, it is his responsibility. He could have started without whatever equipment they say was failing. (And don’t even get me started on all that electronic stuff they use now. 😆) I’m not trying to be ugly to anyone. I’m just stating facts and having a little fun with the meme. If we don’t laugh, we might cry. Have a good night! 

[peshbandkid]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:45 AM, krustyjoe said:

1. wakeland

2. keller

3. waxahachie

4. allen

5. lake ridge

6. james martin

7. plano east

8. fossil ridge

9. berkner

10. byron nelson

 

music: wakeland

visual: wakeland

percussion: wakeland

auxiliary: keller

 

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Is Allen that improved this year? If they are ahead of Lake Ridge and James Martin, Area C got way more difficult 

[Tubalord11]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:54 AM, peshbandkid said:

Is Allen that improved this year? If they are ahead of Lake Ridge and James Martin, Area C got way more difficult 

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Yeah no, Allen will not be 4th lol. They have improved so much from last year, but I’m think no higher than 8th, but finals will not be easy for them to make.

[krustyjoe]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:56 AM, Tubalord11 said:

Yeah no, Allen will not be 4th lol. They have improved so much from last year, but I’m think no higher than 8th, but finals will not be easy for them to make.

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yeah you're right i just kinda threw together a quick list without thinking much it is what it is kinda worn out by all the other things happening

[bingogooberman]

did lake highlands drop as well? not seeing this on their calendar

[TxTrpt]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:45 AM, krustyjoe said:

1. wakeland

2. keller

3. waxahachie

4. allen

5. lake ridge

6. james martin

7. plano east

8. fossil ridge

9. berkner

10. byron nelson

 

music: wakeland

visual: wakeland

percussion: wakeland

auxiliary: keller

 

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Odessa Permian will make finals. They placed higher than Lake Ridge and Fossil Ridge at BOA Midland. They have a crazy travel schedule though - they’re performing at a Friday night away game in the Lubbock area, stopping and staying the night in Abilene, and then traveling to Duncanville in the morning just in time for their afternoon prelims slot.

It’s great to see a West Texas band compete in Dallas!

[Band_Daddy]

  On 10/18/2022 at 5:37 AM, TxTrpt said:

Odessa Permian will make finals. They placed higher than Lake Ridge and Fossil Ridge at BOA Midland. They have a crazy travel schedule though - they’re performing at a Friday night away game in the Lubbock area, stopping and staying the night in Abilene, and then traveling to Duncanville in the morning just in time for their afternoon prelims slot.

It’s great to see a West Texas band compete in Dallas!

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Lake Ridge had a severe technical issue during finals at Midland.  They chose to go with the show without the solos mics working.. This cost them dearly.. but they didn't go overtime.  They would have finished much higher than 6th..  They also lose points for effect.  They have few props..  They may have got best music if the tech issue did not happen.

[krustyjoe]

  On 10/18/2022 at 5:37 AM, TxTrpt said:

Odessa Permian will make finals. They placed higher than Lake Ridge and Fossil Ridge at BOA Midland. They have a crazy travel schedule though - they’re performing at a Friday night away game in the Lubbock area, stopping and staying the night in Abilene, and then traveling to Duncanville in the morning just in time for their afternoon prelims slot.

It’s great to see a West Texas band compete in Dallas!

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i haven't actually seen their show yet. does anyone have a video of a run?

[tpresley]

Does anyone know where to find an updated schedule?  The last one I saw only has 14 bands competing.  Why is everyone dropping out?

[PSHSMom]

  On 10/18/2022 at 4:32 PM, tpresley said:

Does anyone know where to find an updated schedule?  The last one I saw only has 14 bands competing.  Why 

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Don't know why about dropping out but here is what I find for the schedule 

 

[woahband]

As an individual who has heard the from primary source and is extremely frustrated and disappointed about the situation, here is exactly what happened to Wakeland.

• yes the show is more than 8 minutes so they planned to start during announcements.
• the macbook they use to run everything decided to reboot as announcements were going off
• they decided to wait for it to finish hoping for the best
• unfortunately they went overtime by about 22 seconds
• initially they were sent home with all 1's but the morning after it was changed to all 2's 
• hence, disqualification 

Although this is very upsetting, there is nothing anyone could have done about it and it was a simple unfortunate event. There is no one to blame and Wakeland is very grateful for the opening at Duncanville and the opportunity to end their season with a couple more chances to perform and have fun.
 

notes: wakeland has never had a set time to start they always start when the director calls up the drum majors. (which at UIL is almost always during announcements), the director was caught up in pulling a tarp off the field that was being blown away whilst the macbook was also rebooting, and yes a failsafe would have been nice but wakeland has never really had/needed one before and the most unexpected things took place. it was an unfortunate circumstance all around and because of that no one has any right to point fingers especially with how upset wakeland already is. 

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/18/2022 at 5:32 PM, woahband said:

As an individual who has heard the from primary source and is extremely frustrated and disappointed about the situation, here is exactly what happened to Wakeland.

• yes the show is more than 8 minutes so they planned to start during announcements.
• the macbook they use to run everything decided to reboot as announcements were going off
• they decided to wait for it to finish hoping for the best
• unfortunately they went overtime by about 22 seconds
• initially they were sent home with all 1's but the morning after it was changed to all 2's 
• hence, disqualification 

Although this is very upsetting, there is nothing anyone could have done about it and it was a simple unfortunate event. There is no one to blame and Wakeland is very grateful for the opening at Duncanville and the opportunity to end their season with a couple more chances to perform and have fun.
 

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Oh, I think there is a place to lay blame:  Apple

Stupid Apple computers. 🤣

[TubaBoi123]

I think the prediction need to be reset for this event they were made before wakeland was announced

[LostChoirGuy]

I'm curious to see if Keller has made up any ground on Wakeland with a few weeks of cleaning/ a more complete visual program.  Wakeland will be at their very peak as it is their last contest, but I think Keller will be competitive against them.  At least moreso than any of the bands at area would have been.

[Origin]

Considering this is judged using the state sheets, I would give the advantage to Wakeland in the visual and percussion captions, and I could see Keller (or even Waxahachie) putting up a strong fight for the other music captions. Content and design could really go any way. 

[Musicnerd]

  On 10/18/2022 at 5:32 PM, woahband said:

As an individual who has heard the from primary source and is extremely frustrated and disappointed about the situation, here is exactly what happened to Wakeland.

• yes the show is more than 8 minutes so they planned to start during announcements.
• the macbook they use to run everything decided to reboot as announcements were going off
• they decided to wait for it to finish hoping for the best
• unfortunately they went overtime by about 22 seconds
• initially they were sent home with all 1's but the morning after it was changed to all 2's 
• hence, disqualification 

Although this is very upsetting, there is nothing anyone could have done about it and it was a simple unfortunate event. There is no one to blame and Wakeland is very grateful for the opening at Duncanville and the opportunity to end their season with a couple more chances to perform and have fun.
 

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Actually, there is something that could have been done about it. They could have started early without the synth. They would have finished their show in time and kept their 1’s. It was a gamble the director took (if he really was planning on starting during announcements, which I still don’t believe since the drum majors and kids weren’t told they were going to start early) and he lost. It is what it is at this point. I’m just sick of the “there is nothing that could have been done” narrative. It’s not true. But, I digress… 

[krustyjoe]

  On 10/18/2022 at 10:56 PM, Musicnerd said:

Actually, there is something that could have been done about it. They could have started early without the synth. They would have finished their show in time and kept their 1’s. It was a gamble the director took (if he really was planning on starting during announcements, which I still don’t believe since the drum majors and kids weren’t told they were going to start early) and he lost. It is what it is at this point. I’m just sick of the “there is nothing that could have been done” narrative. It’s not true. But, I digress… 

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everyone makes mistakes you don't need to keep looking for fights and putting all the blame on the director. no one was at fault. that is a very immature way to look at the situation. also it literally says the kids were never told a set time to start, just when the drum majors put them to set. there was not enough time to inform the entire band of a change. it was a gamble that they didn't have any control over. if it is what it is there wouldn't be people taking sides on the matter, we're all definitely upset, but the points you make don't correspond with what actually happened if you're simply going off what you "believe" to be true. 

[peshbandkid]

It's been a few days, so I'm gonna move on from the Wakeland scandal amd make some predictions

1: Wakeland

Wakeland has really outdone themselves throughout this season and I think they can pick up one more major win before the season is over. 

2-3: Keller, Waxahachie

I think Keller will be improved from BOA Dallas, but making up a near three point gap on an equally as talented bad is a difficult ask. Still, they will be well ahead of most the competition. I continue to be floored by Waxahachie this season! The Paris theme works extremely well and their music is just lovely!

4-6: Lake Ridge, Permian, James Martin

Permian pulled off an impressive win over Lake Ridge at Midland, but all of that difference was in GE (which can vary significantly more than music or visual between contests.) James Martin should get into finals here after finaling at BOA Dallas.

7-9: Plano East, Berkner, Fossil Ridge

I have only seen PESH this year, and they are at a level we were at in 2019! Berkner and Fossil Ridge should both do well and make finals here

10-13: Allen, Legacy, Chisolm Trail, Canyon

I haven't seen any of these groups this season, so here I think any of them could make it. I'm leaning towards Allen or Chisolm Trail, but we will have to wait and see!

[Niceone]

1. Wakeland

2. keller

3. wax

4. Permian

5. Lake ridge

6. James Martin 

7. Plano East

8. Fossil ridge

9.allen

10. Berkner