2022 6A UIL State

[Miyazuu]

Anyone know the reason why Keller didn't use the bicycle audio clip during State? Is it a uil rule or maybe an issue with NFHS?

[CPGuardDad]

Keller is such a fun show. I love that bicycle and who can't use some Queen in their life?

[TXTrumpetGuy]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, RoseGoldRevival said:

Anyone know the reason why Keller didn't use the bicycle audio clip during State? Is it a uil rule or maybe an issue with NFHS?

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I noticed it too. My first thought was a computer issue.

[slowbrass]

Keller might have been the best yet. That opener is pretty hard though. It’s gotta be either them or CTJ imo

[Miyazuu]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:28 PM, TXTrumpetGuy said:

I noticed it too. My first thought was a computer issue.

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I felt that during prelims but it happened again today, my best guess is a copyright issue with NFHS? I feel as though bands have used audio clips in UIL during past years. 

[averagebandnerd]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said:

I know finals is still going on, but speaking with the kids, some band parents across a few bands that did not make it into finals. Some of them are starting to wonder what is the point of SABOA and State if its the same bands year and year out. Bias, money, and juding inconsistancy is starting to build up.

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At other Super Regionals bands from many different states appear. It's not anyone's fault other bands from across states are too scared to go to the San Antonio Super Regional. UIL is for Texas, but San Antonio is for anyone that wants to test themselves.

[lost]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said:

I know finals is still going on, but speaking with the kids, some band parents across a few bands that did not make it into finals. Some of them are starting to wonder what is the point of SABOA and State if its the same bands year and year out. Bias, money, and juding inconsistancy is starting to build up.

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This has been the same conversation for years.

When Marcus and L.D. Bell reigned supreme people wondered what was the point. When Westfield and Reagan were the kings people wondered why they ought to keep trying.

These comments and concerns are ingrained into competitive marching. It can be hard to keep missing after trying, but we have to remember some things.

Its more about the results it’s about what you learn through participating and putting effort.

Do the same bands seem to keep reigning supreme? Yes. However we put too much focus on big finalist achievements instead of focusing on big accomplishments on a smaller scale.

Glenn broke their first 80 ever at San Antonio this year, Argyle swept AA as a newly 5A band, Pecos won A with a 2 rating at region. Small accomplishments need to be amplified, because there’s value we don’t see.

Money is an issue, sure.. Any competitive activity at the HS level will always have that inequity at its core, and that’s a huge shame.

I would say “judging bias” is always a big concern, but I rarely see it. Outlier scoring can seem shocking on the surface, but some analysis can usually bring genuine justification.

[Tailgate88]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, RoseGoldRevival said:

Anyone know the reason why Keller didn't use the bicycle audio clip during State? Is it a uil rule or maybe an issue with NFHS?

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UIL Rules 1105H(4):  

(4) Electronic Equipment. Electronic equipment may be used under the following provisions:

(A) All electronically produced music including narration and sound effects shall be performed live and in real time by eligible students.

(B) Pre-recorded music, instrumental or vocal, or narration may not be used.

[Tubalord11]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:29 PM, slowbrass said:

Keller might have been the best yet. That opener is pretty hard though. It’s gotta be either them or CTJ imo

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I personally think Coppell was the best, followed by Round Rock, CTJ and then Keller, but everyone has been amazing so far! 

[slowbrass]

The big dogs weren’t always the big dogs. They had to overcome the more “successful” programs to get where they are now. It’s constantly happening but it does take a while.

[1998-2018]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, RoseGoldRevival said:

Anyone know the reason why Keller didn't use the bicycle audio clip during State? Is it a uil rule or maybe an issue with NFHS?

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UIL rule limiting the type of audio drop/sample that can be used.

[lost]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:33 PM, slowbrass said:

The big dogs weren’t always the big dogs. They had to overcome the more “successful” programs to get where they are now. It’s constantly happening but it does take a while.

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Even Hebron had to live in the shadows for a while. It all takes time.

[TXTrumpetGuy]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:30 PM, lost said:

This has been the same conversation for years.

When Marcus and L.D. Bell reigned supreme people wondered what was the point. When Westfield and Reagan were the kings people wondered why they ought to keep trying.

These comments and concerns are ingrained into competitive marching. It can be hard to keep missing after trying, but we have to remember some things.

Its more about the results it’s about what you learn through participating and putting effort.

Do the same bands seem to keep reigning supreme? Yes. However we put too much focus on big finalist achievements instead of focusing on big accomplishments on a smaller scale.

Glenn broke their first 80 ever at San Antonio this year, Argyle swept AA as a newly 5A band, Pecos won A with a 2 rating at region. Small accomplishments need to be amplified, because there’s value we don’t see.

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It's so difficult to see it from this perspective when you're a student in one of the programs. The goals that teachers set for their students are so much more than a ranking at some BOA competition. But when you're a teenager, all you want to care about is if you beat Hebron or whoever. 

[TXTrumpetGuy]

I always have thought that Marcus could comfortably play louder, but it's hard to be mad at them when they sound like that.

[sogeg]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said:

I know finals is still going on, but speaking with the kids, some band parents across a few bands that did not make it into finals. Some of them are starting to wonder what is the point of SABOA and State if its the same bands year and year out. Bias, money, and juding inconsistancy is starting to build up.

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Adding to what others have said, the bands who always make it, make it for a reason. Their consistency isn't a streak of luck, it's because the kids and the directors know how to perfect a show up until the very last day of the season. That isn't a trait specific to finalists, but it is the reason you see so much overlap in SASR and SMBC finalists from year to year. The bands that are consistent in their approach and high levels of execution, will see results.

[Tubalord11]

Marcus: So freaking Beautiful!!! Those kids still sound like a concert band on the field! I do agree that they could at times play a little louder, but I mean wow, they sound like pros! Great work from Marcus as always!!! 

[BandDad4]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:41 PM, sogeg said:

Adding to what others have said, the bands who always make it, make it for a reason. Their consistency isn't a streak of luck, it's because the kids and the directors know how to perfect a show up until the very last day of the season. That isn't a trait specific to finalists, but it is the reason you see so much overlap in SASR and SMBC finalists from year to year. The bands that are consistent in their approach and high levels of execution, will see results.

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There are a reason there are salary caps in professional sports. This is detrimental to the health of competition in the end and breads apathy. I see it in football. Teams, fans, schools stop caring because what is the point and the money dries up and competition disapears. It becomes nothing more than just a rotation of the haves and the have nots are left on the sideline... Such is life though I guess. You see it in class discussions, taxing discussions, too big to fail. 

[Tubalord11]

So, with us being halfway done, here are my personal rankings for prelims! I do know UIL and BOA aren't the same, but some bands have without a doubt had their best runs today, but I could see the bottom half being as it was yesterday as well. Rankings are from first to last 

Coppell

Round Rock 

Marcus 

CTJ 

Pearland 

Keller 

Waxahachie

[david19c]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said:

I know finals is still going on, but speaking with the kids, some band parents across a few bands that did not make it into finals. Some of them are starting to wonder what is the point of SABOA and State if its the same bands year and year out. Bias, money, and juding inconsistancy is starting to build up.

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Vista Ridge went from a bubble band and 16th at BOA SA 2017 to winning gold at 6A State 2018.

[lost]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:45 PM, BandDad4 said:

There are a reason there are salary caps in professional sports. This is detrimental to the health of competition in the end and breads apathy. I see it in football. Teams, fans, schools stop caring because what is the point and the money dries up and competition disapears. It becomes nothing more than just a rotation of the haves and the have nots are left on the sideline... Such is life though I guess. You see it in class discussions, taxing discussions, too big to fail. 

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 We have a lot of high top-tier band directors leaving programs because of poor pay, I’m not sure what the point is.

[slowbrass]

This final block of bands is an absolute murderer’s row. 

[bk_bobb]

*friendly reminder* 

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[Band2021]

You have to ask yourself would you say the same thing to a football team? There is honor in winning and losing it's best to teach your children this now and learn from those experiences. What will they gain by saying "What's The Point"? If your band doesn't want to compete they don't have to but just imagine telling your kids that they wont travel or have a life time experience. Marching band is not always about competing.   

[Daniel Neubecker]

does anyone have the prelims recap

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/8/2022 at 9:26 PM, BandDad4 said:

I know finals is still going on, but speaking with the kids, some band parents across a few bands that did not make it into finals. Some of them are starting to wonder what is the point of SABOA and State if its the same bands year and year out. Bias, money, and juding inconsistancy is starting to build up.

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  On 11/8/2022 at 9:45 PM, david19c said:

Vista Ridge went from a bubble band and 16th at BOA SA 2017 to winning gold at 6A State 2018.

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The 2nd post gets at my response to the first.  When my kids started at Vista Ridge, they went to MANY contests where they did not make finals. And it was particularly difficult watching their sister schools having so much success at the same time. 

Vista Ridge is absolutely proof that it can change.