nightlife Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:22 AM, BandoRando said: FYI, Richard Saucedo was in the Judge’s Suite most of the weekend. Sitting right behind the same judges who were judging 3 of his bands that made finals: Carmel, Fishers, and Brownsburg. Yes, that’s incredibly weird and wildly unprofessional. Conflict of interest?? And no—no other designer or band director would be allowed in that suite. They’d probably get a penalty for even trying. The fact he’s involved in BOA judging in any way is just wild. He needs to either stop designing/consulting for BOA groups, or resign from BOA as a chief judge. Goodluck to all groups tonight!! Expand Are you kidding?! That explains a lot… If Wes Cartwright, the Ventos, or Harloff even said a word to a judge that would cause hellfire ?! But I guess since it’s Carmel… BandoRando 1 Quote
nightlife Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Also if Carmel was “technically best” how come they didn’t win music OR visual? Quote
Iplaydadrum Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:28 AM, nightlife said: Also if Carmel was “technically best” how come they didn’t win music OR visual? Expand GE moment. DankBOA, nightlife and BandoRando 3 Quote
Hard Core Band Fan Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:22 AM, BandoRando said: FYI, Richard Saucedo was in the Judge’s Suite most of the weekend. Sitting right behind the same judges who were judging 3 of his bands that made finals: Carmel, Fishers, and Brownsburg. Yes, that’s incredibly weird and wildly unprofessional. Conflict of interest?? And no—no other designer or band director would be allowed in that suite. They’d probably get a penalty for even trying. The fact he’s involved in BOA judging in any way is just wild. He needs to either stop designing/consulting for BOA groups, or resign from BOA as a chief judge. Goodluck to all groups tonight!! Expand It's definitely a small world in the judging community and with them being active in so many facets of the music world, there are many opportunities for situations that may appear suspect. Quote
nightlife Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:30 AM, Hard Core Band Fan said: It's definitely a small world in the judging community and with them being active in so many facets of the music world, there are many opportunities for situations that may appear suspect. Expand Still though, do one or the other. I have a hard time believing that there is no one who doesn’t design for finalists that isn’t qualified to be head judge. Hard Core Band Fan and BandoRando 2 Quote
Popular Post BandoRando Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 It’s not THAT small a world. BOA just doesn’t care. It’s been brought up before, and ignored. If I’m a Texas band parent paying upwards of $1000-$1500 for a BOA nationals trip, I would be FURIOUS to know that Saucedo has clients competing, while also having the privilege of picking the judges AND then sitting in the judges suite, looking over all their shoulders nightlife, Spirit, Hard Core Band Fan and 1 other 4 Quote
DankBOA Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:22 AM, BandoRando said: FYI, Richard Saucedo was in the Judge’s Suite most of the weekend. Sitting right behind the same judges who were judging 3 of his bands that made finals: Carmel, Fishers, and Brownsburg. Yes, that’s incredibly weird and wildly unprofessional. Conflict of interest?? And no—no other designer or band director would be allowed in that suite. They’d probably get a penalty for even trying. The fact he’s involved in BOA judging in any way is just wild. He needs to either stop designing/consulting for BOA groups, or resign from BOA as a chief judge. Goodluck to all groups tonight!! Expand Not to mention how he is also head Judge at BOA BandoRando 1 Quote
Clark_DM_2009 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 10:31 PM, Tubalord11 said: Shoutouts to CTJ, Dripping Springs and James Bowie on an amazing season! Was hoping we could see all 8 txbands in finals, but this is by far the most competitive GN's ever, but ya'll all had an amazing season and should be proud of yourselves for getting this far. Thank you all for the hard work and dedication you put into your amazing shows for us to enjoy! Expand This was a tough season for sure! I still see 2021 and 2017 as more competitive GN years from the last decade, but this season had an uber competitive bubble. I am curious to see what the score gaps are between Bentonville, Brownsburg, CTJ, and Dripping. It couldn't be more than a point between 12th and 13th places. BOABuff and nightlife 2 Quote
Popular Post crunchycookie3 Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 I’m trying to make my peace with Fishers over Dripping Springs here…. I mean absolutely no disrespect to those kids who are conveying a cute theme quite well, but I felt there was an absolute different level of performance achievement from Dripping Springs. I’m very bummed for those children. Fugue State had no moments that were difficult to listen to, and the same cannot be said about Fishers’ holiday show. Maybe it is a product of teaching or the Indiana sound, but having no moments that are difficult to listen to should be the bare minimum for a finalist group. If the Saucedo thing is true, this is very disheartening and diminishes the prestige of the title “Grand Nationals Finalist” BlastFromThePast, CosmicLimbo, aer06 and 4 others 7 Quote
nightlife Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:57 AM, crunchycookie3 said: Maybe it is a product of teaching or the Indiana sound, but having no moments that are difficult to listen to should be the bare minimum for a finalist group. Expand Call me spoiled with the Texas sound but I had to turn down the volume and at times step away from the computer during that show Hard Core Band Fan 1 Quote
lost Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:33 AM, nightlife said: Still though, do one or the other. I have a hard time believing that there is no one who doesn’t design for finalists that isn’t qualified to be head judge. Expand You need to give it a rest. Quote
Popular Post nightlife Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:59 AM, lost said: You need to give it a rest. Expand So does saucedo. DankBOA, clarinote, whitewing09 and 8 others 9 2 Quote
APersonFromABand Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:59 AM, lost said: You need to give it a rest. Expand we will once he isnt head judge lol Quote
Vidal28 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:57 AM, crunchycookie3 said: I’m trying to make my peace with Fishers over Dripping Springs here…. I mean absolutely no disrespect to those kids who are conveying a cute theme quite well, but I felt there was an absolute different level of performance achievement from Dripping Springs. I’m very bummed for those children. Fugue State had no moments that were difficult to listen to, and the same cannot be said about Fishers’ holiday show. Maybe it is a product of teaching or the Indiana sound, but having no moments that are difficult to listen to should be the bare minimum for a finalist group. If the Saucedo thing is true, this is very disheartening and diminishes the prestige of the title “Grand Nationals Finalist” Expand The chief judge doesn’t have anything to do with the adjudication happening on the field that all the other judges are doing. He’s an overseer of it all, and that’s all. No need for any kind of conspiracy here when there is none. nightlife 1 Quote
Popular Post BandoRando Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:57 AM, crunchycookie3 said: I’m trying to make my peace with Fishers over Dripping Springs here…. I mean absolutely no disrespect to those kids who are conveying a cute theme quite well, but I felt there was an absolute different level of performance achievement from Dripping Springs. I’m very bummed for those children. Fugue State had no moments that were difficult to listen to, and the same cannot be said about Fishers’ holiday show. Maybe it is a product of teaching or the Indiana sound, but having no moments that are difficult to listen to should be the bare minimum for a finalist group. If the Saucedo thing is true, this is very disheartening and diminishes the prestige of the title “Grand Nationals Finalist” Expand Well, not to add fuel to the fire, but Richard’s son is in Fishers band. But I guess we should “give it a rest” and ignore what is arguably the biggest conflict of interest in the marching arts. for what it’s worth, WGI has an excellent conflict of interest policy. BOA does not. Why can we do the same? nightlife, APersonFromABand, FEDude and 2 others 4 1 Quote
Tubalord11 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:03 AM, Vidal28 said: The chief judge doesn’t have anything to do with the adjudication happening on the field that all the other judges are doing. He’s an overseer of it all, and that’s all. No need for any kind of conspiracy here when there is none. Expand ^^^ Lets enjoy all these amazing band performances we are going and getting to witness tonight!! No reason to start an argument over something we can't control, the results will be what they are lost and SomeBandNerd 2 Quote
fluteyboi Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 12:22 AM, BandoRando said: FYI, Richard Saucedo was in the Judge’s Suite most of the weekend. Sitting right behind the same judges who were judging 3 of his bands that made finals: Carmel, Fishers, and Brownsburg. Yes, that’s incredibly weird and wildly unprofessional. Conflict of interest?? And no—no other designer or band director would be allowed in that suite. They’d probably get a penalty for even trying. The fact he’s involved in BOA judging in any way is just wild. He needs to either stop designing/consulting for BOA groups, or resign from BOA as a chief judge. Goodluck to all groups tonight!! Expand Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he a former director for Carmel? I do believe that judges should not judge any competition that any affiliations are performing at. Even if they're not aware of it there is still possibility for potential bias. nightlife and APersonFromABand 2 Quote
lost Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:00 AM, nightlife said: So does saucedo. Expand Seriously eye-rolling. nightlife 1 Quote
fluteyboi Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Anyways good luck to all the finalist bands! Can't wait to see all these amazing programs at their fullest potential!! Quote
lost Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:04 AM, BandoRando said: Well, not to add fuel to the fire, but Richard’s son is in Fishers band. But I guess we should “give it a rest” and ignore what is arguably the biggest conflict of interest in the marching arts. for what it’s worth, WGI has an excellent conflict of interest policy. BOA does not. Why can we do the same? Expand ....because this isn't the biggest conflict of interest in the marching arts. chief judge does no adjudicating and doesn't affect the score. justabandkid94 and BigTrombone 2 Quote
Origin Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Let’s focus on celebrating these 12 amazing bands 🙂 Bentonville!! That ballad and the Here Comes the Sun closer are magical! Nny14 1 Quote
Tubalord11 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Way to go Bentonville!!! I was in tears by the end of their performance, might honestly be my favorite show of the year! As someone who grew up listening to "Here Comes The Sun", hearing them perform it like they did was a special feeling! Music was ON POINT!!! Guard was so good, great usage of the capes throughout the show, helps add a lot of visual texture, and that percussion was tight, you could hear them all hyped up after their feature. Love that show sooooo much, and another huge congratulations on 3 amazing performances, and for making history in the state of Arkansas, amazing job Bentonville!! lost and LeanderMomma 2 Quote
maxin459 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Anyone else trying to figure out who the plume belongs to? Picc! Quote
DallasFan Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 1:20 AM, maxin459 said: Anyone else trying to figure out who the plume belongs to? Expand I'm trying to figure out what this show is Nny14 and maxin459 2 Quote
Popular Post TxTrpt Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 My only thought watching Brownsburg is: how did Dripping Springs not make Finals?? LKendrick, lost, nightlife and 2 others 4 1 Quote
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