2023 BOA San Antonio Super Regional (Nov. 3 & 4)

[northtexasbandfan]

  On 8/29/2023 at 12:49 PM, LeanderMomma said:

Ummm hello. Leander did it in 2016!  😜

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Flower Mound in 2014 as well.

[Tubalord11]

  On 8/30/2023 at 1:34 AM, northtexasbandfan said:

Flower Mound in 2014 as well.

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Also Marcus in 2021, Prosper in 2018 

[WoodlandsMom4ever]

  On 8/30/2023 at 1:50 AM, Tubalord11 said:

Also Marcus in 2021, Prosper in 2018 

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CTJ in 2021

[Tubalord11]

  On 8/30/2023 at 3:14 AM, Bandmomx4 said:

CTJ in 2021

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Yeah! I always forgot one or two, you think you know them all and then there’s always one more 😅 Ig we could say RR 21, didn’t make finals but still did all 3 which is enough on its own, seems like they will be this year as well, and whoever else does 

[zoomer]

Friday:
Panel 1
11:00 McCallum, TX
11:15 Cedar Park, TX
11:30 Manor New Tech, TX
11:45 Westwood, TX
12:00 Byron P. Steele, TX
12:15 Anderson, TX
12:30 Smithson Valley, TX
12:45 Pflugerville, TX
1:00 Louis D. Brandeis, TX

1:15 Break

Panel 2
1:45 Bastrop, TX
2:00 Crockett, TX
2:15 Round Rock, TX
2:30 Sandra Day O'Connor, TX
2:45 Pieper, TX
3:00 Lehman, TX
3:15 Waller, TX
3:30 Vista Ridge, TX
3:45 Jourdanton, TX
4:00 Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX
4:15 United, TX
4:30 Glenn, TX

4:45 Break

Panel 1
5:15 Keller Central, TX
5:30 John B. Alexander, TX
5:45 Cedar Ridge, TX
6:00 Westlake, TX
6:15 Magnolia, TX
6:30 Rouse, TX
6:45 James Earl Rudder, TX
7:00 W. Charles Akins, TX
7:15 Veterans Memorial, TX
7:30 Vandegrift, TX

7:45 Break

Panel 2
8:15 Leander, TX
8:30 Lake Travis, TX
8:45 McNeil, TX
9:00 Weiss, TX
9:15 Bridgeland, TX
9:30 Jack C. Hays, TX
9:45 Winston Churchill, TX
10:00 James Bowie, TX
10:15 Stephen F. Austin, TX
10:30 A&M Consolidated, TX
10:45 Ronald Reagan, TX


SATURDAY
Panel 1
7:15 Hargrave, TX
7:30 Argyle, TX
7:45 Mission Veterans Memorial, TX
8:00 Birdville, TX
8:15 Timber Creek, TX
8:30 Krum, TX
8:45 Friendswood, TX

9:00 Break

Panel 2
9:30 Moe & Gene Johnson, TX
9:45 Dawson, TX
10:00 Pioneer, TX
10:15 Pecos, TX
10:30 Marcus, TX
10:45 Wylie East, TX
11:00 Forney, TX
11:15 Meridian, TX
11:30 Wakeland, TX
11:45 Roma, TX
12:00 The Woodlands, TX

12:15 Break

Panel 1
1:00 Grapevine, TX
1:15 Aledo, TX
1:30 Clear Springs, TX
1:45 College Park, TX
2:00 L.D. Bell, TX
2:15 Midlothian, TX
2:30 Clear Creek, TX
2:45 Cypress Woods, TX
3:00 Oak Ridge, TX
 

[seafoodbuffet]

So Hebron and Flower Mound confirmed out. Looking forward to new faces in finals.

[BandFan59]

Five finalist spots from last year are open with Hebron, Flower Mound, Coppell, Keller, and Pearland skipping this event. The bubble to make finals ought to be exciting with the variety of potential first timers and established names that'll be competing to fill those spots.

[Nny14]

  On 9/20/2023 at 11:41 PM, seafoodbuffet said:

So Hebron and Flower Mound confirmed out. Looking forward to new faces in finals.

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I'm really disappointed Hebron won't be able to defend their crown after winning the past 2 years. Predicting Nationals will be even crazier too.

[Samuel Culper]

Panel 1 - Cedar Park, Cedar Ridge, Westlake, Rouse, Vandegrift, LD Bell

Panel 2 - Round Rock, Vista Ridge, CTJ, Leander, James Bowie, Ronald Reagan, Marcus, Wakeland, The Woodlands

Looks pretty unbalanced to me.

[Rubisco]

  On 9/21/2023 at 1:12 AM, Nny14 said:

I'm really disappointed Hebron won't be able to defend their crown after winning the past 2 years. Predicting Nationals will be even crazier too.

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My thought exactly! Kind of like what happened with Flower Mound in 2021. Unfortunately, UIL's judging system is too different to draw a good comparison for BOA Grand Nats. Then again, BOA San Antonio results haven't been particularly predictive of BOA Grand Nats in recent years, either. Historically, I find myself in closer agreement with the Nats panels.

I think Vandegrift probably benefits from being on their own little island on Panel 1 -- as the only top half finalist from last year in that panel. (I'll qualify this as "presumably" on their own island, unless BOA Austin this weekend shows me otherwise.) I strongly suspect we'll see Vandy land in the top 2 or 3 after prelims. Granted, there's an excellent chance that would have happened even without the weird two panel system.

Yet again, the two panels seem unbalanced, with Panel 2 much more "finalist lock" heavy. But I also think this creates some great opportunities in Panel 1 for new finalists, with 2 of the 5 automatic advance slots up for grabs. I've got my eyes on Cypress Woods in particular. They've got a great performance time, too.

[jetliner]

Of the 9 BOA Events in Texas, 5 of the reigning champions will not be defending their title.

[Rubisco]

On the other hand, I feel bad for some of the up and coming bands stuck on Panel 2 with all the "locks", knowing that those 5 auto advance spots are probably taken, and then some. It just feels like the chances of breaking through for those groups are smaller. Bridgeland, Wakeland, etc. come to mind.

[Ranxh1938292]

  On 9/21/2023 at 3:31 AM, Rubisco said:

On the other hand, I feel bad for some of the up and coming bands stuck on Panel 2 with all the "locks", knowing that those 5 auto advance spots are probably taken, and then some. It just feels like the chances of breaking through for those groups are smaller. Bridgeland, Wakeland, etc. come to mind.

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The 2 groups I have my eye on are cy-woods and bridgeland, a lot of the times those 2 battle it out. 

[Tubalord11]

I know they just got a new director, but I would love for Timber Creek to finally make finals here! I’ve heard they have a great show this year, and i definitely feel like this could be their time! 

[Samuel Culper]

  On 9/21/2023 at 3:31 AM, Rubisco said:

On the other hand, I feel bad for some of the up and coming bands stuck on Panel 2 with all the "locks", knowing that those 5 auto advance spots are probably taken, and then some. It just feels like the chances of breaking through for those groups are smaller. Bridgeland, Wakeland, etc. come to mind.

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Agreed. Panel 2 is going to leave some frustrated kids. 

I wish they had balanced this better.

[AWildAltoSax]

Holy cow! I have never seen the panels so uneven before.

I feel sorry for the people in panel 2 who were in the bubble, so many contenders who were exciting stuck there.

Panel 1 will be interesting. Based on how many they take to finals, there could be some bands who have never made finals at SA slip in.

time will tell.

[Rubisco]

In BOA's defense, I feel like we said this about last year's panels, too, but it didn't end up being that bad. Then again, there are probably 25+ bands in Texas that wouldn't look totally out of place in BOA San Antonio finals, regardless of whether they belong there over a slightly cleaner/more effective band that misses finals.

[Nny14]

  On 9/21/2023 at 8:06 PM, Rubisco said:

In BOA's defense, I feel like we said this about last year's panels, too, but it didn't end up being that bad. Then again, there are probably 25+ bands in Texas that wouldn't look totally out of place in BOA San Antonio finals, regardless of whether they belong there over a slightly cleaner/more effective band that misses finals.

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Analyzing the balance of panels is like the strength of schedule for sports teams. Every year is a new year and we don't even know how each group will do in competition yet. It's probably not as bad as it looks.

[clarinetistkai05]

  On 9/21/2023 at 6:32 PM, AWildAltoSax said:

Holy cow! I have never seen the panels so uneven before.

I feel sorry for the people in panel 2 who were in the bubble, so many contenders who were exciting stuck there.

Panel 1 will be interesting. Based on how many they take to finals, there could be some bands who have never made finals at SA slip in.

time will tell.

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I’m performing for Panel 2, and I am honestly kind of terrified. However, time will tell how everyone will stand in this comp.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 9/21/2023 at 8:06 PM, Rubisco said:

In BOA's defense, I feel like we said this about last year's panels, too, but it didn't end up being that bad. Then again, there are probably 25+ bands in Texas that wouldn't look totally out of place in BOA San Antonio finals, regardless of whether they belong there over a slightly cleaner/more effective band that misses finals.

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I agree that whoever does make finals will be a worthy band. The talent in Texas *IS* that deep.

But, I think that once BOA made the decision to move this contest to two panels without a Semifinals, it made it critical in the name of fairness for them to try very earnestly to balance the dispersion of the bands at the top within the schedule.

[Rubisco]

  On 9/21/2023 at 10:39 PM, clarinetistkai05 said:

I’m performing for Panel 2, and I am honestly kind of terrified. However, time will tell how everyone will stand in this comp.

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Don't let our discussion of panels freak you out too much! We talk about "locks", but there's a reason I'm putting that in quotation marks. Nothing is guaranteed. Every contender for finals needs to make a strong statement about themselves. Even bands that haven't made finals here before can achieve that with enough work.

[Hard Core Band Fan]

  On 9/21/2023 at 11:33 PM, Rubisco said:

Don't let our discussion of panels freak you out too much! We talk about "locks", but there's a reason I'm putting that in quotation marks. Nothing is guaranteed. Every contender for finals needs to make a strong statement about themselves. Even bands that haven't made finals here before can achieve that with enough work.

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I agree. When speculating before the competition, it's easy to imagine a bloodbath getting into finals. But when the competition happens, there is often more space, pointwise, between bands to justify the results. I rarely see a result that I can't understand or disagree with.

[yayband914]

  On 9/21/2023 at 3:09 AM, Samuel Culper said:

Panel 1 - Cedar Park, Cedar Ridge, Westlake, Rouse, Vandegrift, LD Bell

Panel 2 - Round Rock, Vista Ridge, CTJ, Leander, James Bowie, Ronald Reagan, Marcus, Wakeland, The Woodlands

Looks pretty unbalanced to me.

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Not so unbalanced when you potentially just named all 14 finalists, minus one. 

Top 5 in each panel, next 4 regardless of panel. Panel 2 will simply have more or all of the “next 4’s.”

It will be fine. 

[packwick]

hmmm i think the crux of the issue is that people fear panel 1 will be scored as high or higher than panel 2, which would raise the risk of more of the next 4 coming from panel 1 than "should" happen. reeeasonable fear to have when you've got 2 toootally different groups of judges, but something the chief judges should be monitoring.

can't help but be a liiiittle amused tho at some of the confidence ppl have that panel 2 is just sooo much stronger, esp considering how horrible forums ppl are at making predictions in general. imma contrarian so i want panel 1 to defy ppl's expectations + rub it in their faces LOL.

3 very likely finalists versus 5 very likely finalists right now, panel 1 v 2. meh, whatever. you won't see MY panties in a twist lol.

[northtexasbandfan]

  On 7/25/2023 at 12:08 AM, northtexasbandfan said:

I’m sure a big reason Flower Mound is not attending is they’re participating in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade in NYC. Not going to be an inexpensive trip for sure.

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I need to correct this … Flower Mound is participating in the 2024 Macy’s parade, not this year’s.