UIL 6A 2023 State Marching Band Contest (Oct. 30. & 31)

[Bad.robot]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:33 PM, Tubalord11 said:

^^^ 

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But it is a rule that every director knows. 

[balumni2023]

I can't even imagine how heartbreaking it must be for those students to give a solid performance and find out they got disqualified for being a few seconds over. UIL needs to definitely be more lenient!

[Dallas Hobbs]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:25 PM, Daytanight said:

A parent just text me and confirmed Waxahachie was DQed. Her daughter did the flute solo.  That's on the director for not starting them on time.  Terrible way to go out...

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That rule is honestly archaic and callous. A disqualification for going over by a few seconds? I understand that judges want things to be done in a timely manner but for Christ sake, have some sympathy! The penalty should be way less severe

[TxBlueBariXD]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:38 PM, Bad.robot said:

But it is a rule that every director knows. 

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Whether it is or not, the program should have the opportunity to appeal the decision. 

That’s the type of response you would expect to receive for cheating or something of the sort. 

[jetliner]

Sorry Round Rock, the lights in the back are a detractor. Just let it be the backdrop for that fantastic show!

[Bad.robot]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:39 PM, Dallas Hobbs said:

That rule is honestly archaic and callous. A disqualification for going over by a few seconds? I understand that judges want things to be done in a timely manner but for Christ sake, have some sympathy! The penalty should be way less severe

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I agree but how do you do it when the UIL scoring system is a ranking?

[hoss74]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:38 PM, balumni2023 said:

I can't even imagine how heartbreaking it must be for those students to give a solid performance and find out they got disqualified for being a few seconds over. UIL needs to definitely be more lenient!

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until UIL goes to a scoring system that isnt an ordinal they  will not have a way to assess penalties. BOA deducts tenths of points but the way that  UIL does it  that wont work

[Miyazuu]

To have your season ended by just going over 3 seconds is definitely a shot in the heart. It's very unfair to DQ a band over an incredibly minor overtime. I feel for the students, how terrible. 

[TxBlueBariXD]

We’re talking about 3 seconds. Not 3 minutes.

3 seconds.

It took more than 3 seconds to type 3 seconds !

[Tubalord11]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:43 PM, Daytanight said:

The Waxahachie Director spoke with UIL and the DQ is being reviewed... maybe they give them the benefit of doubt... who knows...

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Praying the reverse it!!! Give these kids a break! 

[ViewFromTheBox]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:32 PM, TxBlueBari08 said:

The UIL needs to revise that rule immediately. How are you going to just shut these kids season down like that for a minor infraction? 
 

That’s a bad look.

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First off, this situation definitely sucks, and my heart goes out to the Waxahachie kids.

But a rule is a rule, and it has to be enforced. Band directors know this.

Since we're in football season as well, how is this any different than a kid committing an obvious penalty, like pass interference in the end zone, that effectively ends their season? And that happens a lot.

I agree that the UIL should look at that rule (and frankly how their contests are scored entirely) in the offseason, but you have to enforce the rules that everyone is competing by. I guarantee that no UIL official wants to have to make that decision.

[tubapop]

This is on the directors, not the uil and certainly not the kids.

[JFNDOWBFAN]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:43 PM, Daytanight said:

The Waxahachie Director spoke with UIL and the DQ is being reviewed... maybe they give them the benefit of doubt... who knows...

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Did Lovejoy get overturned?  Don't think they did at Region....sad...unfortunate....heartbreaking....but if a violation was made....

[Parkwoodmom]

They’re only hurting the kids…after a season of hard work. 👿.  

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:50 PM, tubapop said:

This is on the directors, not the uil and certainly not the kids.

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This, 100%.

If you're going to have a rule, you enforce it.  Otherwise, it isn't a rule.

If there was some logistical interference that delayed their start, something related to the facility itself or restricting the band from starting their setup (which is all under UIL control) I see that as a basis for appeal.  Short of that, I got nothing.

[Bad.robot]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:47 PM, ViewFromTheBox said:

First off, this situation definitely sucks, and my heart goes out to the Waxahachie kids.

But a rule is a rule, and it has to be enforced. Band directors know this.

Since we're in football season as well, how is this any different than a kid committing an obvious penalty, like pass interference in the end zone, that effectively ends their season? And that happens a lot.

I agree that the UIL should look at that rule (and frankly how their contests are scored entirely) in the offseason, but you have to enforce the rules that everyone is competing by. I guarantee that no UIL official wants to have to make that decision.

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it’s a rule everyone plays by. Many shows end 15-30 seconds early to provide some cushion. By pushing the show to 8 minutes, it’s a risk/reward. If it’s not enforced, they get the benefit of extra show elements that they get judged on. 

[TxBlueBariXD]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:47 PM, ViewFromTheBox said:

First off, this situation definitely sucks, and my heart goes out to the Waxahachie kids.

But a rule is a rule, and it has to be enforced. Band directors know this.

Since we're in football season as well, how is this any different than a kid committing an obvious penalty, like pass interference in the end zone, that effectively ends their season? And that happens a lot.

I agree that the UIL should look at that rule (and frankly how their contests are scored entirely) in the offseason, but you have to enforce the rules that everyone is competing by. I guarantee that no UIL official wants to have to make that decision.

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The difference is the kids didn’t commit a penalty themselves; as well any football coach will admit to you straightforward that a game isn’t won or lost off of one penalty.
 

There are better infractions to decide upon than DQ-ing a band for 3 seconds exiting the field. That’s why I stated the rule needs to be revised to be more reasonable.

[BandDad4]

That sucks, but rules are rules and what is the point if we don't follow the rules?

[LostChoirGuy]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:47 PM, ViewFromTheBox said:

First off, this situation definitely sucks, and my heart goes out to the Waxahachie kids.

But a rule is a rule, and it has to be enforced. Band directors know this.

Since we're in football season as well, how is this any different than a kid committing an obvious penalty, like pass interference in the end zone, that effectively ends their season? And that happens a lot.

I agree that the UIL should look at that rule (and frankly how their contests are scored entirely) in the offseason, but you have to enforce the rules that everyone is competing by. I guarantee that no UIL official wants to have to make that decision.

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It's actually quite different.  We are talking about a disqualification vs. a penalty or score.  If that team was already up by enough before the penalty it wouldn't matter.  Here Waxahachie could have been in first place and then was disqualified.  It would make more sense to give an ordinal penalty.  Maybe one ordinal for each second or something like that.  I know that's arbitrary but would be more fair.

[TxBlueBariXD]

Let’s just see what happens. Also, it would probably help for us all to get the full details because both sides have valid points but in the spirit of healthy band competition; that’s a crappy way for your season to end:

[BandDad4]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:54 PM, TxBlueBari08 said:

The difference is the kids didn’t commit a penalty themselves; as well any football coach will admit to you straightforward that a game isn’t won or lost off of one penalty.
 

There are better infractions to decide upon than DQ-ing a band for 3 seconds exiting the field. That’s why I stated the rule needs to be revised to be more reasonable.

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Games are absolutely lost over one penalty 

[Samuel Culper]

  On 10/30/2023 at 6:38 PM, RaElk99 said:

Not in 6A, but in 4A Canyon ISD is sending all three high schools to state. Not sure how many overall do this though.

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Leander ISD went 5 for 6.

Vista Ridge and Vandegrift in 6A

Rouse, Cedar Park and Leander in 5A.

Glenn was one spot away in Area Finals from making it 6 for 6 for the district.

Can any district beat five total bands?

[DeadMascot]

What band is on right now?

[LostChoirGuy]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:57 PM, BandDad4 said:

Games are absolutely lost over one penalty 

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Yes, but playing better in earlier parts of the game can make up for it.  A penalty does not equal a disqualification.

[Dave609]

  On 10/30/2023 at 7:57 PM, Samuel Culper said:

Leander ISD went 5 for 6.

Vista Ridge and Vandegrift in 6A

Rouse, Cedar Park and Leander in 5A.

Glenn was one spot away in Area Finals from making it 6 for 6 for the district.

Can any district beat five total bands?

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there's also Lewisville ISD who sent 3 of 4 bands-

 

Hebron, Marcus, Flower Mound

 

And Birdville ISD-

Haltom (6A), Richland, Birdville