UIL 6A 2023 State Marching Band Contest (Oct. 30. & 31)

[Dallas Hobbs]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:04 PM, MarchingBandOG said:

Does anyone happen to know the finalist breakdown by area?

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Area B (3)- Coppell, Keller, Waxahachie 

Area C (3)- Marcus, Hebron, Flower Mound 

Area D (2)- Ronald Reagan, Round Rock

Area E (1)- Pearland

Area F (1)- The Woodlands

Area H (2)- Vandegrift, Vista Ridge

Area I (2)- Bridgeland, Cy-Fair

[natertater21000]

Music ensemble really has me scratching my head. I'm thinking we will see the most movement in that caption.

[kingcontra]

dang... 

what happened to timber

[Iplaydadrum]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:14 PM, Miyazuu said:

It's probably been asked a hundred times but- will it be the same set of judges for finals? I'm curious how it'll affect finals results 😗 some of these are some crazy placements

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For bigger events like state or a super regional, they typically get a different panel of judges for prelims and finals. 

[littlejaw]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:26 PM, natertater21000 said:

Music ensemble really has me scratching my head. I'm thinking we will see the most movement in that caption.

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Kennedy is a great judge, I trust his numbers.

[BandDad4]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:30 PM, kingcontra said:

dang... 

what happened to timber

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Early morning time slot mixed with more critical and reserved judging in the morning compared to later in the afternoon where judging appears more relaxed.

[ChristopherRoden]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:46 PM, BandDad4 said:

Early morning time slot mixed with more critical and reserved judging in the morning compared to later in the afternoon where judging appears more relaxed.

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I agree that the early morning judging was significantly more critical 

[crunchycookie3]

Really shocked at the placements for the AM bubble bands who had EXTREMELY good runs. I really thought Bell was going to be a lock after a run like that and hearing many of the afternoon groups, and was very surprised to see Wylie and Timber Creek so low! Hoping they fare better at BOA SA on Saturday.

[peshbandkid]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:24 PM, Dallas Hobbs said:

Area B (3)- Coppell, Keller, Waxahachie 

Area C (3)- Marcus, Hebron, Flower Mound 

Area D (2)- Ronald Reagan, Round Rock

Area E (1)- Pearland

Area F (1)- The Woodlands

Area H (2)- Vandegrift, Vista Ridge

Area I (2)- Bridgeland, Cy-Fair

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DFW for the win 😁

[SlowDriver]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:57 PM, crunchycookie3 said:

Really shocked at the placements for the AM bubble bands who had EXTREMELY good runs. I really thought Bell was going to be a lock after a run like that and hearing many of the afternoon groups, and was very surprised to see Wylie and Timber Creek so low! Hoping they fare better at BOA SA on Saturday.

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Wylie won’t be there.  They are done for the year.  Surprised too since they essentially tied Dripping Spring Saturday in Waco to see them drop so much after a great run. 

[marcx]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:59 PM, SlowDriver said:

Wylie won’t be there.  They are done for the year.  Surprised too since they essentially tied Dripping Spring Saturday in Waco to see them drop so much after a great run. 

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It’s also surprising that they placed so low seeing as how they tied and won the tie breaker with Prosper at area

[Gehrig4]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:30 PM, kingcontra said:

dang... 

what happened to timber

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Asking the same thing.    28th?!!

[crunchycookie3]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:59 PM, SlowDriver said:

Wylie won’t be there.  They are done for the year.  Surprised too since they essentially tied Dripping Spring Saturday in Waco to see them drop so much after a great run. 

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Very sad to hear this. Even 20th place for that show would have felt criminally underscored! Regardless of placement, Wylie students gave one of the best runs of the day, and definitely inspired many on these forums. They should be proud!

[BandFan95]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:59 PM, SlowDriver said:

Wylie won’t be there.  They are done for the year.  Surprised too since they essentially tied Dripping Spring Saturday in Waco to see them drop so much after a great run. 

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You really can't compare UIL judging to BOA judging. It's really different. Dripping Springs has been a UIL powerhouse for UIL and has only recently made the change to be a more BOA focused band. 

[HornBlorgis9000]

  On 10/31/2023 at 12:58 PM, band-o5050 said:

In short,

CON- Content. What you do.

ACV- Achievement. How well you do it. 

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Interesting... So I was also curious about how one would interpret this.  So say, scoring low on content, but high on achievement for instance.  

[natertater21000]

  On 10/31/2023 at 3:00 PM, HornBlorgis9000 said:

Interesting... So I was also curious about how one would interpret this.  So say, scoring low on content, but high on achievement for instance.  

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Pearland's music ensemble scores would be an example of this. 25th in terms of content so compared to the field not exceedingly difficult. The 4th in achievement is saying they performed that more conservative repertoire nearly perfectly. All in that judges opinion of course. 

[wyattstamm]

  On 10/31/2023 at 4:57 AM, lost said:

Rough run.

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I had multiple people tell me that is wasn't a bad run, so idk. 

[BravoBand]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:53 PM, ChristopherRoden said:

I agree that the early morning judging was significantly more critical 

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The numbers do back that up, although the quality of bands is never evenly distributed.

	Avg	# of Finalists
Block 1	26	1
Block 2	29	1
Block 3	20	4
Block 4	16	5
Block 5	17	3

 

 

[Hack]

Pearland has 35% freshmen building a strong future! So proud of them. I am learning so much from this forum, thank you all

[Displayed name]

People were talking about how imbalanced the blocks were before the contest, I don’t think it impacted judging as much as y’all think it did

[JMR2022]

  On 10/31/2023 at 12:32 PM, Miyazuu said:

It was mentioned by a waxahachie parent/member that UIL supposedly allows for a margin of error within 2-3 seconds. Supposedly, waxahachie was just under those two seconds, allowing for them to remain in the competition. If that's true, it's probably an unspoken clause that UIL doesn't mention to avoid abuse or it's a case by case basis dependent on how the higher ups are feeling that day. I'm not sure where you're idea of "adding CTJ to finals as 15th place" is coming from. Adding a finalist spot and keeping a band who went 2 seconds over are very different magnitudes. Waxahachie performed well, many saw them as a finalist lock.

Respectfully, and or course my own opinion, CTJ not making finals isn't very shocking. Their show and their performance is good but this entire season it felt like a strong performance from another band could knock them over, and that's what seemed to happen. Plus, UIL doesn't seem to favor their show style, we can see this from previous year results. They cut a minute or so away to preshow because the show is made for a BOA circuit. 

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The rule does not state that there is a "few additional seconds" allowed. the committee ruling yesterday, was that they were concerned that it was an error of the time keeper running the clock even though they had the video with a time stamp on it. My comment of adding CTJ to finals was that UIL drug their feet on this all day and once they announced that Waxahachie had advanced it would not be fair to take it away from them. But it is also not fair to CTJ that would have advanced.  As for the comment that UIL does not favor their type of show - correct - CTJ is going to Grand Nats this year and generally they always do a BOA type show, that has been their style and they have always done the pre-show and started prior to the school being announced. But after opening in 2008, they have  advanced to State every year since 2010 and finals every year since 2012. during that span they have also picked up a UIL Bronze Medal in 2014 and a Gold Medal in 2020. At the end of the day, it comes down to a rule that has been used many times in the past to exclude programs including Roma in 2019. If you have the rule then enforce the rule - if not, then change the rule or do away with it - 42 other programs followed it during yesterdays competition. 

[Coolhornplayer]

These are the average scores from the top 15 bands. Marcus and Hebron are so close together right now

 

vandegrift 963.7142857

Marcus 960.7142857

Hebron 960.4285714

Flowermound  957

woodlands 952.2857143

Reagan 948.8571429

vista ridge 947.5714286

Coppell 937.2857143

Round Rock 929.7142857

Pearland 928.7142857

Keller 920.7142857

Bridgeland 917.1428571

Cy-Fair 913.5714286

Waxahachie 911.1428571

CTJ 901.1428571

 

[AWF2014]

  On 10/31/2023 at 5:52 AM, tubapop said:

Bridgeland parent here. Today was a relatively bad run for us. I'm hoping for improvement tomorrow and at the same time am humbled that we made it in when the field is so crowded with superstars.

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Cy Woods parent here. Congratulations to both Bridgeland and CY Fair! I’m so happy to see CY Fair isd in finals!!! Best of luck today!

[Dallas Hobbs]

  On 10/31/2023 at 1:24 PM, Dallas Hobbs said:

Area B (3)- Coppell, Keller, Waxahachie 

Area C (3)- Marcus, Hebron, Flower Mound 

Area D (2)- Ronald Reagan, Round Rock

Area E (1)- Pearland

Area F (1)- The Woodlands

Area H (2)- Vandegrift, Vista Ridge

Area I (2)- Bridgeland, Cy-Fair

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And If I have this right (correct me if I’m not) this is the finalists breakdown by major city:

DFW- 6

Houston- 4

Austin- 3

San Antonio- 1

[BandFan95]

  On 10/31/2023 at 3:56 PM, JMR2022 said:

The rule does not state that there is a "few additional seconds" allowed. the committee ruling yesterday, was that they were concerned that it was an error of the time keeper running the clock even though they had the video with a time stamp on it. My comment of adding CTJ to finals was that UIL drug their feet on this all day and once they announced that Waxahachie had advanced it would not be fair to take it away from them. But it is also not fair to CTJ that would have advanced.  As for the comment that UIL does not favor their type of show - correct - CTJ is going to Grand Nats this year and generally they always do a BOA type show, that has been their style and they have always done the pre-show and started prior to the school being announced. But after opening in 2008, they have  advanced to State every year since 2010 and finals every year since 2012. during that span they have also picked up a UIL Bronze Medal in 2014 and a Gold Medal in 2020. At the end of the day, it comes down to a rule that has been used many times in the past to exclude programs including Roma in 2019. If you have the rule then enforce the rule - if not, then change the rule or do away with it - 42 other programs followed it during yesterdays competition. 

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Did CTJ challenge this at all?