UIL 4A State Marching Contest 2023 (November 1)

[northtexasshawty]

  On 11/2/2023 at 3:27 AM, RetiredBandGuy05 said:

They will be 5A next year as they will have 4 complete grade levels in 2024.

Right now they have freshman, sophomores, juniors and SOME seniors.

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i dont get it, how come new high schools only have 3 grade levels? what about seniors?

[christopher13]

what were y’all’s top ten in order?

[J-Mike16]

  On 11/8/2023 at 5:56 PM, christopher13 said:

what were y’all’s top ten in order?

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Like personal rankings?

[christopher13]

  On 11/8/2023 at 6:06 PM, J-Mike16 said:

Like personal rankings?

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yes

[12string4jc]

  On 11/7/2023 at 8:02 PM, J-Mike16 said:

Alice, Anna, Kaufman as far as State Advancers for 4A.

Splendora and West Fork, both out of 4A Area C will also be moving up into 5A as Splendora has almost 1500 kids and then West Fork has 1,658 kids. 

I think Lindale and Sulphur Springs will move up after this upcoming realignment.

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It all depends on UIL at this point. Last year the cut off was 1300 and SS turned in under that. 

[viejo]

Just putting this out there for next year… Pine Tree is projected to be moving down to 4A next year. Do y’all think this will cause some changes or no?

[Tubalord11]

  On 11/10/2023 at 2:13 AM, viejo said:

Just putting this out there for next year… Pine Tree is projected to be moving down to 4A next year. Do y’all think this will cause some changes or no?

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Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

[J-Mike16]

  On 11/10/2023 at 3:53 AM, Tubalord11 said:

Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

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If Pine Tree moves down, they would be placed in 4A Area C. 

[Dave609]

  On 11/10/2023 at 3:53 AM, Tubalord11 said:

Oooooo Um yes for sure! They had an incredible season, obviously making state for the (I believe) first time in program history against some very accomplished programs! They finished 4th at Golden Triangle this year over 3 5A area B finalist (yes ik it's wonky scoring and very early season but it's still something), but yes, assuming they keep up their momentum they will almost 100% make state and probably state finals as well, don't know what area they would be in but could also see them winning that area for many years, very underrated band that's been very much on the rise post-covid 

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It was their second time! Their first appearance was in 1985, in the same classification :). I could definitely see them make finals if/when they move back to 4A!

[tylerolivera]

Do we know who all is moving up and down 100%? (Bands that would be a threat)

[11BandMan11]

  On 11/12/2023 at 2:37 PM, tylerolivera said:

Do we know who all is moving up and down 100%? (Bands that would be a threat)

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No 100% yet - once the snapshot numbers were released by UIL from all the campuses thats when the real fun began of guessing where everybody lands, they'll be releasing the reclassification alignment in the future which will put every program in their difference conferences 

[tylerolivera]

for 4A, i've heard rumors of Kaufman, Sulphur Springs, and Lindale all moving up, and for sure Anna

Apparently Panther Creek only has 1100 or so, but they're still a frisco school, so their numbers for next year will possibly be 1400 or so with the new school year which is a little messed up

I've also heard of Davenport moving up

I think Lumberton's numbers are pretty close but not enough to bump them, and pretty much every canyon school is about the same as lumberton (1100-1250)

[TexasStrangers]

I'm pretty sure the cutoff numbers are going to go up compared to what they were last year. How much higher it goes is unknown at this moment.

[TexasStrangers]

  On 10/15/2023 at 11:13 PM, criscubes said:

 

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  On 11/12/2023 at 4:08 PM, tylerolivera said:

for 4A, i've heard rumors of Kaufman, Sulphur Springs, and Lindale all moving up, and for sure Anna

Apparently Panther Creek only has 1100 or so, but they're still a frisco school, so their numbers for next year will possibly be 1400 or so with the new school year which is a little messed up

I've also heard of Davenport moving up

I think Lumberton's numbers are pretty close but not enough to bump them, and pretty much every canyon school is about the same as lumberton (1100-1250)

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As of now, unless the cutoff numbers go down which I doubt.  SS and Lindale will stay in 4A. Kaufman is on the fence and Anna for sure is going to move up.

[tylerolivera]

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/15/2023 at 2:30 AM, tylerolivera said:

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

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That's how it works.

The UIL sets the cutoffs to try to balance the # of schools in each classification. They have to take into account the schools who will opt up and then they set the cutoffs. 

[tylerolivera]

  On 11/21/2023 at 6:09 PM, Samuel Culper said:

That's how it works.

The UIL sets the cutoffs to try to balance the # of schools in each classification. They have to take into account the schools who will opt up and then they set the cutoffs. 

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so how do they opt up to see if they will go up

[lost]

  On 11/15/2023 at 2:30 AM, tylerolivera said:

So how does it work if kaufman (who turned in at 1340) has 1340, and say the limit rises to 1350, will they stay in 4A by 10 kids..? Seems quite unfair

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Leander was 6A by around 3 kids during the 2018 cycle.

[Samuel Culper]

  On 11/22/2023 at 3:23 AM, tylerolivera said:

so how do they opt up to see if they will go up

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The opt up is usually a decision to stay with other schools within their school district.  The district communicates that choice to the UIL ahead of time so they know who would be opting up when they are looking to set the cutoffs.

[LKendrick]

Pine Tree submitted enrollment in the 1,250s so they'll almost assuredly move down.   They should compete very well in 4A, really enjoyed their show this year and seems like they are on an upswing.  

[J-Mike16]

  On 12/6/2023 at 6:56 PM, LKendrick said:

Pine Tree submitted enrollment in the 1,250s so they'll almost assuredly move down.   They should compete very well in 4A, really enjoyed their show this year and seems like they are on an upswing.  

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And with that, Sulphur Springs submitted 1,290. Looks like they are moving back up.

[TBonesNeverQuitGo]

Doesn’t 4A go all the way to 1314?

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[tylerolivera]

area B will be... interesting next year with  2 of its biggest state qualifiers leaving (anna and kaufman), leaves room for PC, celina, and of course canton

[Tubalord11]

  On 12/11/2023 at 3:09 AM, tylerolivera said:

area B will be... interesting next year with  2 of its biggest state qualifiers leaving (anna and kaufman), leaves room for PC, celina, and of course canton

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Hoping PC can get a state championship before most likely eventually going to 5A 

[tylerolivera]

  On 12/11/2023 at 3:39 AM, Tubalord11 said:

Hoping PC can get a state championship before most likely eventually going to 5A 

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they are a frisco school, they should be way over on enrollment numbers with this next coming year, really not fair, we need D1 and D2 band